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Detroit Recovers - America Goes Under
Townhall.com ^ | February 7, 2015 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 02/07/2015 8:46:52 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 02/07/2015 8:46:52 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Better to be the first to the bottom than the last.


2 posted on 02/07/2015 8:51:54 AM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: Kaslin
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill
3 posted on 02/07/2015 8:54:10 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Kaslin
We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like

a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

~Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

4 posted on 02/07/2015 8:58:13 AM PST by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: hosepipe

Nobody can stop the fall but we can make the landing a little softer if we privatize as many urban services as possible as soon as possible.

Companies that take over municipal services usually hire most of the city employees anyway which is a whole lot better than being jobless.


5 posted on 02/07/2015 9:05:37 AM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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“I may have to find a part-time job,” said Gaffney, former president of Detroit’s bus-driver union. “I guess the city wants us to work until we’re dead

That’s kind of my plan, Hen ol’ son.


6 posted on 02/07/2015 9:07:09 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job..)
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Detroit Recovers - America Goes Under

Since when did Detroit recover? They went into the hospital suffering from gangrene and came out a double amputee. That's not a recovery, that's survival after a chopping (and by the way, those arms are looking in bad shape too... maybe we should schedule the next surgery now).

If anything this is a sign that people should be eager to get 401k and IRA type retirement plans. If the going gets rough, your old employer will toss you away quickly. If the money isn't under your control it isn't yours no matter how many promises have been made about it. You don't get in a situation where the account is underfunded based on projected 20% annual stock market returns or just dissolved completely due to bankruptcy or merger.

7 posted on 02/07/2015 9:07:48 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Darth Obama on 529 plans: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.)
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To: Kaslin

$3,100 per month for a 19 year retired BUS DRIVER????? Give me a freaking break. I get less than half of that for 20 years in the army, two wars, 9.5 years in Germany, moving my family 18 times.


8 posted on 02/07/2015 9:09:58 AM PST by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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These municipal pensions are scams that suck the blood out of taxpayers and lead an area to rot on the vine; NJ is being crushed by them, and nobody with a brain would ever open a business here (only to be handed their share of the IOUs for people who retired 20 years ago).

I’ve posted before about the news story (which I’m sure played out over 7 over again across the country) in which current city councils (mostly black) are railing about how much of their current revenues are siphoned off by retirees (mostly white); there is simply nothing left for current expenses. In NJ this is happening between white town councils and white retirees; who would want to live/do business in an area where things are literally falling apart so a cop can retire in his late forties (after stacking his last working years with overtime to generate a six-figure pension)?

I liked the idea in a recent FR story about tying the school district pensions to the financial health of the district itself; the parasites can watch their pensions disappear as their pupils fail to find worthwhile work due to crappy teachers failing to educate them...


9 posted on 02/07/2015 9:19:16 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Kaslin

Great article. Thanks for posting.

“Wayne County is bankrupt.”

Another undeclared bankruptcy…here...

http://www.usdebtclock.org

Who bankrupted the county? The country?

6. But the grand nostrum will be a public debt…

7. It must not be forgotten that the members of the legislative body are to have a deep stake in the game. This is an essential point, and happily is attended with no difficulty. A sufficient number, properly disposed, can alternately legislate and speculate, and speculate and legislate, and buy and sell, and sell and buy, until a due portion of the property of their constituents has passed into their hands to give them an interest against their constituents, and to ensure the part they are to act.

8. The ways in which a great debt, so constituted and applied, will contribute to the ultimate end in view are both numerous and obvious. (1) The favorite few, thus possessed of it, whether within or without the government, will feel the staunchest fealty to it, and will go through thick and thin to support it in all its oppressions and usurpations. (2) Their money will give them consequence and influence, even among those who have been tricked out of it. (3) They will be the readiest materials that can be found for a hereditary aristocratic order, whenever matters are ripe for one. (4) A great debt will require great taxes; great taxes, many taxgatherers and other officers; and all officers are auxiliaries of power.

11. As soon as sufficient progress in the intended change shall have been made, and the public mind duly prepared according to the rules already laid down, it will be proper to venture on another and a bolder step toward a removal of the constitutional landmarks.

Rules for Radicals? “No, Rules for Changing a Limited Republican Government into an Unlimited Hereditary One”…

http://www.constitution.org/cmt/freneau/republic2monarchy.htm

/Freneau

Socialism Is Legal Plunder - Bastiat

http://www.usdebtclock.org

/Bastiat


10 posted on 02/07/2015 9:29:34 AM PST by PGalt
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“Feds place 150 union pension funds in ‘critical’ status”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/feds-place-150-union-pension-funds-in-critical-status/article/2559606


11 posted on 02/07/2015 9:41:22 AM PST by Rusty0604
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If the money isn't under your control it isn't yours no matter how many promises have been made about it.

A hard lesson when learned.

12 posted on 02/07/2015 9:49:06 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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The budget is like a lake. You have water flowing into the lake (income), and you have water flowing out of the lake (expenses). You also have evaporation (stealing). If you want a healthy lake/budget, you have to pay attention to all three areas.


13 posted on 02/07/2015 10:16:35 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Kaslin
Pensioners are not the bad guys. I don't know if this applies to Detroit but many pension agreements are based on both the government and the employee contributing to the employees pension fund. What happens all too often is that the government puts IOUs into the fund. This is precisely what is happening to our Social Security system.

Consider: Many people who joined the voluntary military did so based partly on the promise of compensation and fringe benefits. After serving 25 years, would it be right for the government to say, "Oh, we've decided to reduce your pension by 25% and we will not honor the promised VA fringe benefits, etc. " Broken promises! Should the military retiree be viewed as the bad guy here?

Consider: A person works 45 years paying into social security all of those years. Every year the SSA sends the annuitant a summary of their projected benefits. When it comes time to retire, the annuitant is told that the benefit will be reduced by 35%. Keep in mind that in surplus years, the government spent all the surplus money and put IOUs in the SSA fund. Broken promises! Is the SS retiree/annuitant the bad guy?

Consider: A person works 45 years paying into a Roth IRA each of those years. The Roth IRA, created by government, promises that money withdawn will not be taxed by the Feds. When it comes time to retire, the retiree is told by the government that it is giving his Roth a haircut because it needs the money. Broken promises! Is the retiree the bad guy here?

I contend that the pensioner who worked in good faith for government or the private sector is not the bad guy!!! Government is.

14 posted on 02/07/2015 10:18:22 AM PST by JesusIsLord
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Detroit Recovers - America Goes Under

Social Justice! Whaddayaknow.</sarc>

15 posted on 02/07/2015 1:42:45 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a thouse, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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If anything this is a sign that people should be eager to get 401k and IRA type retirement plans.

Sucker bait. Argentina's Kirchner regime confiscated Argentinians' retirement accounts .... commingled them with the broke budget, gave the chumps a "chit", a call on resources. A ticket to a small monthly draw against the hypothecated value of the account.

Stated in Argentine gallopingly inflationary "vanishing money" of course.

What happens when GOVERNMENT X BANKING => "Screw the People"

16 posted on 02/07/2015 1:47:33 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a thouse, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: VRWC For Truth
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,

True dat bro!

Detroit pensioners are already extremely upset with the pension haircuts they received.

Forget the Detroit haircuts, REPUBLICAN Gov. Snyder put the screws to the rest of us pensioners too with his 2012 tax on our private pensions..and now he wants to not only increase the state sales tax but the tax on gasoline too........

17 posted on 02/07/2015 1:55:54 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Uncle Sy: "Beavers are like Ninjas, they only come out at night and they're hard to find")
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To: cripplecreek

The unions cannot plead ignorance. They have known for years that these pension funds were grossly underfunded. They should have been negotiating greater contributions to the plans. Rather they chose to only bargain for higher wages and now they pretend they are surprised.


18 posted on 02/07/2015 2:32:37 PM PST by rcofdayton (.)
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To: TalBlack

Could be worse. I worked 35+ yrs. at my job(skilled trade),finally gave up at age 75,got nothing but Soc.Sec. Poor as that was,it may be a lot worse for some still working at similar jobs.


19 posted on 02/07/2015 5:14:38 PM PST by oldtech
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This happened on a flight getting ready to depart for Detroit.

Jack was sitting on the plane when a guy took the seat beside him. The guy was an emotional wreck, pale, hands shaking, moaning in fear.

“What’s the matter?” Jack asked.

“I’ve been transferred to Detroit , there are crazy people there. They’ve got lots of shootings, gangs, race riots, drugs, poor public schools, and the highest crime rate in the nation.”

Jack replied, “I’ve lived in Detroit all my life. It’s not as bad as the media says. Find a nice home, go to work, mind your own business, and enroll your kids in a nice private school. It’s as safe a place as anywhere in the world.”

The guy relaxed and stopped shaking and said, “Oh, thank you. I’ve been worried to death. But if you live there and say it’s OK, I’ll take your word for it. What do you do for a living?”

“I’m the tail gunner on a Budweiser truck.”


20 posted on 02/07/2015 6:22:51 PM PST by Taxman (I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!)
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