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California’s Green Drought
The Wall Street Journal | April 5, 2015 | WSJ editors

Posted on 04/06/2015 12:04:54 PM PDT by fifedom

The liberals who run California have long purported that their green policies are a free (organic) lunch, but the bills are coming due. Lo, Governor Jerry Brown has mandated a 25% statewide reduction in water use. Consider this rationing a surcharge for decades of environmental excess.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; dams; drought; envirowackos; moonbeam; smelt; water
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To: fifedom

I understand that it is difficult to get involved when you are outnumbered 3 to 1 but Fienstien, Brown, Boxer, etc could use a good horse whipping.
Or at the very least a good dragging behind a pick up.
Not that I would advocate that, just saying it wouldn’t do em any harm.


21 posted on 04/06/2015 1:40:47 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Obammy is a lie, a mooselimb and pond scum.)
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To: fifedom
Even in dry years, hundreds of thousands of acre feet of runoff are flushed into San Francisco Bay to protect fish in the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta.

I doubt that conservatives would like the economic consequences of serious salt-water intrusion into the delta.

22 posted on 04/06/2015 2:03:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: al_c

is that uh...Personal Use..or for their whole family??


23 posted on 04/06/2015 2:34:24 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: fifedom

“Talk to the Feds, it was their judge who overturned Prop 187. It’s been downhill ever since.”

The flood gates opened up to the illegals. Besides costing us millions of tax $’s each day, their damage to California’s environment each and every day was/is even more expensive.

Two years before the Prop 187 election I worked with a local enivro to preserve native fish and not cost a ton of money.

He was an old time democrat, and we joked about each other’s presidents and governors. We raised money for our projects, some of which are still going on.

Things changed in the last year before the Prop 187 election. He refused to admit that opening admission of millions of illegals would harm our environment from the day they entered and would continue.

A couple of months before the election, he admitted that I was probably correct, but he had to support his party.

After the election, I told him, that I couldn’t work with him anymore. Whatever friendship was gone. His efforts then went into the delay and final repel of Prop 187.

He challenged me as a bigot a couple of years later. I had him drive to large encampments of illegals along the Russian River. Pollution and garbage were everywhere in these not legal encampments. The pollution and garbage ended up in the Russian River and the streams flowing into the Russian River and worked their way down stream.

When this damage was pointed out to him, he blamed the situation on Republicans for not welcoming the illegals.

He died a couple of years later, and never admitted that he was terribly wrong.


24 posted on 04/06/2015 2:36:17 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will Sisi, Bibi, King Abdullah & ?, take out Isis in our White House, AG Dept, CIA, & State?)
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To: al_c

So are these guys farmer/ranchers or really clean liberals?


25 posted on 04/06/2015 2:37:05 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will Sisi, Bibi, King Abdullah & ?, take out Isis in our White House, AG Dept, CIA, & State?)
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To: 5th MEB; fifedom

To: fifedom
But they sit at home and do not vote
But, but, but... Posters on FR keep telling us that staying at home is the principled thing to do, and doesn’t affect election outcomes????

To: al_c
Wonder how many of them are Demonrats?

Or trolls paid by liberals or maybe worse?


26 posted on 04/06/2015 2:40:59 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will Sisi, Bibi, King Abdullah & ?, take out Isis in our White House, AG Dept, CIA, & State?)
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To: al_c

I typically use 200 Gpd/person as peak flow when sizing sewer pipes. Without a leak, a person who uses that much water really has to be trying to wasteful.


27 posted on 04/06/2015 2:41:17 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: Carry_Okie

It wouldn’t bother this conservative at all.


28 posted on 04/06/2015 3:05:45 PM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: bill1952
It wouldn’t bother this conservative at all.

A good many public drinking water districts pull their water out of the Sacramento delta. There is also a lot of valuable farmland that would be wrecked by the salt.

You don't care because you don't live in California. Woopie. I take it you expect to be taken seriously?

29 posted on 04/06/2015 3:14:47 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: 5th MEB
Wonder how many of them are Demonrats?

My guess would be all of them.

30 posted on 04/06/2015 4:01:05 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
is that uh...Personal Use..or for their whole family??

Household, I'd guess.

31 posted on 04/06/2015 4:01:37 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Grampa Dave
So are these guys farmer/ranchers or really clean liberals?

I wouldn't normally use "clean" and "liberal" together. ;-)

32 posted on 04/06/2015 4:02:18 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: shotgun
I typically use 200 Gpd/person as peak flow when sizing sewer pipes. Without a leak, a person who uses that much water really has to be trying to wasteful.

Gotta keep their mansion lawns green.

33 posted on 04/06/2015 4:02:57 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Carry_Okie
I doubt that conservatives would like the economic consequences of serious salt-water intrusion into the delta.

Please pardon my ignorance, I don't live in CA but this interests me. Inga Barks was saying last week that the problem was not enough reservoirs. You're saying that building reservoirs in the delta will introduce salt water? How so?

34 posted on 04/06/2015 4:23:08 PM PDT by Musket (It's very simple:<i>your quoted text pasted here</i><p> produces Quoted Italic with paragraph break)
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To: fifedom

California’s “Green policies” have accelerated the drought, but I also believe it is much, much more than that. I believe it is judgment from God.


35 posted on 04/06/2015 5:06:26 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Musket
You're saying that building reservoirs in the delta will introduce salt water? How so?

Not at all. The article was critical of the flow out the River system as if it was all a waste. Some of it is. However, I am saying that maintaining a minimum flow in the Sacramento San Joaquin system is necessary to prevent excessive salt water intrusion, therefore arguing against the implied claim that maintaining that flow at all is a waste. Dams can actually help that situation by maintaining a supply with which to maintain the flow as well as supply human needs.

The bogus part of maintaining these high summer flows is that it will save the Delta Smelt. That was a crooked ploy to put farmers out of business to sell their land cheap to developers.

36 posted on 04/06/2015 5:34:33 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Grampa Dave

“He died a couple of years later..”

I hope it was excruciatingly painful.

L


37 posted on 04/06/2015 6:40:45 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: fifedom

We cannot afford to let California go down. The fruits and nuts would all be moving to the places where we live and bringing their stupid voting habits with them.


38 posted on 04/06/2015 7:31:06 PM PDT by leopardseal
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To: leopardseal

Shall we not forget our very own free republic is in say it with me California.


39 posted on 04/06/2015 8:08:13 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: al_c

How does one person use 3k Gallons per day? Must have a really big lawn or something.


40 posted on 04/06/2015 8:46:58 PM PDT by matt04
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