Posted on 06/23/2015 10:24:31 AM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer
Since a name seems to be everything, it is about time to give a name to a third party for constitutional conservatives to rally around. The Dimwit and RINO GOP-E parties are not doing service to the consitution they swore to uphold.
While we're at it, let's add a platform and principles this party should stand for.
Noble cause - but a corrupt oligarchy of people who currently do not follow the existing rule of law, are not going to follow or abide by anything new we ratify that is designed to strip them of their power.
You cannot stop tyranny by civil means.
Period.
Tyrants and their oligarchs do not exist within nor abide a civil society. Their whole function is to destroy it.
Your solution supported and argued by Mark Levin, while noble is not a solution that will effect or sway tyrants. The entire ruling class in D.C. has discarded and ignore the Constitution - even to the point of legislating away that which they have no power to surrender. So the idea of new additions to the Constitution restraining the lawless is absurd.
Article V will come into play when and if we are able to start over after the tyrants and their corrupt system is forcibly removed.
The Repeal Party...because we have too many laws and agencies
I'll help you out.
A Summary of Mark Levin’s Proposed Amendments.
The first chapter to The Liberty Amendments can also be read at Amazon.
That isn’t going to happen. The GOPE controls the levers of power of the Republican Party and they are not going to allow this ever. We have a two party system for good or bad and any new party would have to draw enough support away from the GOP and quick enough to make the GOP irrelevant in national debate and elections and drive a stake in the heart of the second half of the Uniparty to confine it to the ranks of third party status or to the dust bin of history.
This was demonstrated by their change to convention rules following the last election. Any candidate that is accepted by the party has already been vetted to toe their line which is oligarchy. The candidate who is sincere about challenging their corruption will be shunned. If you ever witness this that is the man who deserves our vote.
Uhhh - I OWN the book (Hardcover) and have read it TWICE.
The ONLY problem I have with the entire notion, is expecting that the current tyrants now ruling us will abide by whatever is ratified - ESPECIALLY if any of Levin’s suggested Amendments are ratified.
Lawless Tyrants will never abide efforts to strip them of power. Fact of history and human nature.
How can we expect the lawless to abide the law??? Or the uncivil to acquiesce to the civil?
Something Levin does not address in his book, which is the prescription the Founders provided to enable a civil society to add Amendments to keep their government from becoming UNCIVIL.
We are too late to stop this tyranny by civil means - and that is a truth NO ONE is willing to address and acknowledge.
If this government ignores the current Constitution - how do you expect them to abide additions to it, and who is going to MAKE THEM abide it?
And If no one will make the government abide the Constitution, how do you expect anyone to make them abide additions to it?
How will DC ignore term limits?
How will DC ignore repeal of the 17A?
How does D.C. ignore the Constitution currently??
The courts. The Alphabets. Executive Action and Orders. Supported by a Praetorian Media.
DC has shown us they will do they like, citing that we do not know what is best for us.
I'm beginning to think you do not understand where we have arrived as a nation and what has been done to us.
Show me where in history that uncivil, lawless tyrants ended up abiding the law designed to strip them of tyrannical power?
What part of Oligarchy and Dictatorship do you fail to comprehend?
How has DC gotten away with violating the Constitution up until now?
Since everyone has demonstrated to the Oligarchy and Regime in power that NO ONE will dare stop them and will indeed hand them whatever they demand, explain to me how you think Obama, SCOTUS and the paper Congress will ABIDE by NEW term limits?
Who is going to enforce them?
Until you answer that - you have no questions of your own worthy of answer.
I’ll say it one more time - you cannot stop tyranny via civil means - PERIOD.
Somehow you seem to believe we can.
I agree in that ordinary political methods no longer apply.
They knew that tyranny cannot exist when power is sufficiently divided.
The beauty of Levin's amendments is that they would divide power so well, so “super-federalize” the government that a future FDR or Obama would be an impossibility.
Exactly the reason for a 3rd party now that could/should grow into a replacement of the RINO party. They are too entrenched. If the 40 so Reps revolted against Speaker Bonehead, that would be a good start.
i am so tired of people saying, “Give up, the Republic is lost!” or “Third parties never win,” or similar pessimistic drivel.
The Republicans won’t do what we tell them and the Democrats are all Socialists. Our choice is between forming a third party or watching the country sink further. And as a veteran, I am not willing to surrender.
We should have launched a new party years ago. Right after the 2012 election would have been the ideal time. Yes, we would have lost in 2014 but we would have gained some ground and thus some political capital.
A viable third party needs to attract viable candidates. Anybody think Ted Cruz, Jeff Sessions, Marco Rubio, Allen West, et al wouldn’t love to belong to a party that appreciates them? Get them aboard and we’ve got some “star power” that will attract more voters and more “stars” to the cause.
The Republicans didn’t try for the presidency in 1854 but they made up for that with Abraham Lincoln in 1860. I’m willing to take the risk.
We have to do something. The alternative is the cartridge box and I don’t think many of us want to go there.
I whole heartedly agree. Also a veteran that doesn’t believe in failure. A third party, new party, whatever, we need something different than what we are getting out of the current 2 parties. But it has to based on well founded constitutional principles. In that, it needs to reemphasize the foundation of this country as a union of states and the federal government to serve those states for a common defense. The federal government has no business in social issues.
The Framers’ design didn’t rely on political parties to secure our freedom; neither should we.
Correctamundo.
Then the GOP should change its name to the Backstab Party. Better to fight for what you believe, even if you lose, than to fight knowing you're being lied to and will be betrayed again and again. The former at least is honorable. The latter only demonstrates that one is a faggotty imbecile.
Problem is in the end none of the parties are really fighting for anything. The big parties just want power, they’re playing a numbers game, just winning elections for the sake of winning elections. The little parties just want to lose and feel heroic. There’s nothing honorable about either.
You must be DEAF, DUMB & BLIND to make such an ignorant statement when you consider where we have arrived.
The Constitution ALREADY sufficiently divided power - and we have TYRANNY TODAY!!!!! PRECISELY BECAUSE THE RULE OF LAW WAS IGNORED AND SUPERSEDED BY DIKTAT. The same way any additional amendment will be ignored.
The beauty of Levin's amendments is that they would divide power so well, so “super-federalize” the government that a future FDR or Obama would be an impossibility.
The Founders' believed that the Constitution as ratified made an FDR and Obama an impossibility. Yet they happened because human nature marches on unchecked.
The Beauty of the Founders' intent for an Article V Convention to propose Amendments WAS TO PREVENT A TYRANNY FROM BEING ESTABLISHED.
Article V WAS NOT INTENDED TO REMOVE A TYRANNY that has been established. THAT does NOT HAPPEN via civil means. The Constitution was intended to restrain ONLY lawful and civil-minded representatives. It was NOT INTENDED to remove lawless tyrants because lawless tyrants ignore the law!
We no longer HAVE representatives who are bound by law and morals. We have a Ruling Class OLIGARCHY in power who are bound only by their ambition, money, power and zeal to rule over us. They refuse to be bound by the rule of law. They are LAWLESS.
You can pass all the laws you want- but rulers who see themselves above the law - will NEVER allow themselves to be restrained by them.
You cannot stop tyranny via civil means.
If you think that means I stand in opposition to "Enlightenment maxims" you are ignorant of the very human nature and history that the Enlightenment constructed it's arguments for in the first place.
We do not have rulers who agree with those maxims. We have rulers who demand those maxims replaced and they have done so. All your pontifications for how Article V is going to save the Republic ignores the real fact that the Republic is already gone.
We are exactly where our Founders were when they realized prostrating before King and Parliament was an exercise in futility. They understood that you cannot stop tyranny via civil means because the institutions that were intended to protect rights and dispense justice were corrupted beyond redemption.
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