Posted on 07/30/2015 4:22:42 PM PDT by Kaslin
Baiting is used regularly in all hunting.
If a lion wonders out of a protected area to get the bait, then it’s fair game.
Baiting is not illegal.
Hunting is not illegal.
Sending it to a taxidermist for mounting is not illegal either.
I fail to see what the issue here is.
Obviously you are not a hunter.
The tracking device would not have been visible to a hunter.
A reserve is not “in the wild.”
The typical house cat dumped by devious city dwellers in the forest near our ranch is about two days.
My youngest son’s first pet cat was 23 years old when she was killed by the neighbor’s pit bull.
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um... so according to you, all hunters should lose their jobs?
wow, wrong site dude.
I’ve had enough of this crazy conversation, I need to go eat my juicy steak I am having for dinner.
Here is a “Defenders of Animals” site.
They say a lifespan of 10-14 years. Females live longer than males. Cecil was 13 years old.
http://www.defenders.org/african-lion/basic-facts
Wouldn’t have to be visible. The preserve was deliberately targeted. The guide (and shooter) intentionally lured the animal off the preserve to kill it. When they removed the animal’s head — they attempted to destroy the collar.
That’s like coaxing somebody’s dog off their lot in order to kill it — and then trying to destroy the dog collar.
A reserve is not “in the wild.”
I have a hard time following you on this, and you are usually quite clear.
How is a reserve not “in the wild” ?
The animals are not fed. They have to fend for themselves. The reserve is not fenced, it just does not allow hunting on it.
The animals do not receive care from veterinarians.
Please explain.
There is a reserve in Fairfield, California that has lions and tigers that are in excess of 25 years old.
You’re blowing smoke!
That may be true. We do not know.
Baiting lions is legal, and a fair number of lions leave reserves and are legally killed in Zimbabwe.
What appears to be illegal in this case, is that there was no quota for a lion on that particular hunting area. The dentist may or may not have known about that.
As for the collar, not all lions on the reserve are collared. If the hunter could not see the collar, what difference does that make?
next argument?
“There is a reserve in Fairfield, California that has lions and tigers that are in excess of 25 years old.”
Please point me to it, if you will.
I think you are confusing “reserves” in Africa, which are closer to our National Parks, with zoos here in America.
In captivity, where they receive regular feed, veterinary care, and are prevented from fighting, big cats live a lot longer. Cecil was not in captivity.
What argument?
You sound like a real insensitive ignoramus. I never said all hunters should lose their jobs. I am contesting that this piece of filth is even a hunter. How is it hunting to lure an animal to a site with meat and then when it is consuming the meat, fire arrows into it? And then, he even misses and the poor thing has to suffer in agony for 40 hours. Nothing brave, skillful, commendable or even humane about this. Might as well go to a bird feeder and pot you some blue jays and cardinals busy eating their seeds. Yeah, go chomp down on a piece of meat to prove you are an alpha. I'm so (not) impressed.
“How is it hunting to lure an animal to a site with meat and then when it is consuming the meat, fire arrows into it?”
If you really want to know, read this book.
http://www.amazon.com/Meditations-Hunting-Jose-Ortega-Gasset/dp/1885106181
Here is one review:
Ortega y Gasset brings philosophical rigor and logic to the consideration of hunting. In a powerful counterblast to muddled, emotion-driven, anthropomorphic, confused, sentimental arguments - one can’t call them “ideas” - OyG clarifies the core questions and quandaries, and gives a sound philosophical foundation for the defense - indeed, the celebration -of the hunting imperative that 21st century urban man sublimates or ignores at his environmental and spiritual peril.
again, you know nearly nothing about hunting.
Ever hear of deer feeders? they shoot food out to feed all the deer in an area at predetermined intervals and basically train them to come seeking their next easy meal.
The hunters then build a deer stand nearby and when they want to kill a deer they go to the stand near the feeder and wait until the deer show up like clockwork for their next meal and BAM! dead deer!
Happens.... oh.... about a million times more more each hunting season in the US.
Yes, I hunt. With my camera and telephoto lens. I have captured some remarkable pictures of many beautiful animals--mulies, whitetails, black bear, elk, marmots, pikas, bison, dozens of species of birds, reptiles, wild canids, etc. I don't bait them, I stalk them patiently until I get a great picture. Perhaps I am more of a hunter than the bait and shoot crowd.
I need to go eat my juicy steak I am having for dinner.
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That’s gotta offend a lot of people.
Not me - I’d like to join you, hard to afford good steak nowadays though.
My parents lived on a farm after retirement and had probably about 20 or so barn cats. The cats fed primarily on field mice and whatever else they could catch.
My father supplemented their diet with a shot gun shell and a couple handfuls of corn. He’d scatter the corn in a small area and crows and large blackbirds would flock to it. One 12 gauge blast would kill a lot of them at one time. When the cats heard the shot gun blast, they’d come a runnin’, they knew that sound meant it was supper time.
“So you bait an area to attract deer. You don’t hunt the deer, you kill semi-tame deer who have unfortunately come to trust you.”
So who lives a better life? These deer or cattle that are penned up in feedlots?
Ranching and hunting change from one to another in degree. It is not a sharp and distinct line.
I have even had to “hunt” semi-tame chickens that refused to be caught when the time came to slaughter them.
Perhaps you are a vegan.
I have been, since I was right out of babyhood, very close to all manner of critters. It is an integral part of my nature. Stray cats and dogs come right up to me. Horses, even cattle, have come right up to me in the field. I have tamed and placed many the feral-born kitten. Even my pet lizards know me from other people and run up to the front of their tank when I approach. I can "read" an animal, from a horse to a fish, and I basically know what is on their mind. That is why I was so successful at breeding even difficult tropical fish, amphibia, lizards, etc. That is why I haven't been bitten by dogs or cats who gave other people problems.
To me, the trust of an animal is something precious, it is a gift. To use their trust to enable me to approach them to kill them is something I could not do; the very practice fills me with horror.
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