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1 posted on 08/29/2015 9:14:18 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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2 posted on 08/29/2015 9:17:55 AM PDT by Libloather (Embrace the suck)
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It is illegal immigrants....And fair trade....Wall Street Journal..


3 posted on 08/29/2015 9:18:21 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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'By Stephen Moore & Lawrence Kudlow'

Yeah, no doubt.

4 posted on 08/29/2015 9:18:22 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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The Chamber Of Commerce types have destroyed American manufacturing and made us dependent on China.

I don’t consider that free trade much less than fair trade.

Every one else is dumping here while we are locked out of their markets.

No wonder they don’t like Trump’s platform.


5 posted on 08/29/2015 9:18:40 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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I see you like the Establishment/Globalist approach.

Where we have rigged Trade deals, open borders, out of control spending and perpetual state of war.

In other words...., you want more of the same crap that will eventually destroy the United States.


8 posted on 08/29/2015 9:22:14 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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Protectionism would probably lead to a very bad economic downturn; the prices of everything would go sky-high, and it would undoubtedly lead to worsening unemployment. I recall Milton Friedman telling some pundit, in response to a question about trade deficits saying that the Chinese give us all kinds of cheap and useful goods, and in return we give them green pieces of paper of no intrinsic value whatsoever. "What can they do with them?" he asked, rhetorically. "They can't eat 'em."

As others have pointed out, the answer is not protectionism, but a lowering of barriers to producing things competitively in our own country.

9 posted on 08/29/2015 9:23:10 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Trump is a RINO. But he's the lesser of all the evils. Except Cruz. And Cruz can't win.)
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Nothing but a bunch of paranoid freaks. We are locked out of foreign markets yet these anti-American pinheads claim we should send even more manufacturing to foreign nations while also letting in more foreign workers.

America First! America Wins!


11 posted on 08/29/2015 9:25:09 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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Smoot Hawley! Smoot Hawley!

Booga Booga!

The bankster class has been babbling this for decades to divert attention from the real facts about the Depression that they don’t want to talk about: the Reserve bank caused it by incompetent moves in 1932 limiting credit to struggling regional banks.

From Fisher to Greenspan to Bernanke this was documented. Everything Bernanke did after 2008 was the opposite of what the ignorant stiffs of the 30s banks did.

Smoot Hawley affected maybe 4% of the economy because we did not have significant imports or exports then: the United States were self sufficient up until they made the mistake of getting on the national bank train in 1913.

We are now talking about tariffs against a nation that runs a trade imbalance with us on the order of 100s of billions every year and controls us through bond ownership.

All that would do is remedy the worst trade situation in American history.

Stephen Moore is a shrill ideologue parroting theoretical ideas which take no realities of national interests into account.


13 posted on 08/29/2015 9:29:38 AM PDT by Regulator
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As long as the Big Dogs are making a bundle & the parasite class are receiving their bennies, who cares what happens to the middle class.


24 posted on 08/29/2015 9:43:56 AM PDT by skeeter
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There’s no such thing as “free trade”. Virtually all of the countries that we deal with enforce stiff tariffs and conditions on imports into their countries from the US. In return, they get our industrial and technological manufacturing base, AND we get to sell them agricultural goods, raw minerals, and scrap metal, which makes our exports look like some third world colonial shipping manifest.

I’ll give you an example. I work for a railroad who does business on the west coast. I see trains coming and going to and from the west coast ports, along with trains coming from mexico and canada. Imtermodal shipments from asia outnumber shipments to asia by an order of three to one. The canadians ship chemicals, oil, lumber, grain, and steel into the US. we ship scrap metal, and transship produce from mexico to canada. Mexico ships cars, car parts, produce, steel and foundry products, heavy equipment, and comsumer products.


30 posted on 08/29/2015 9:51:51 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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I want a southern border fence and I want it now.


32 posted on 08/29/2015 9:56:36 AM PDT by samtheman (2014: Voters elect Repubs to congress... 2015: Repubs defund NOTHING... 2016: Trump/Cruz)
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About the third or fourth time this has been posted.


33 posted on 08/29/2015 10:00:05 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Biology is biology. Everything else is imagination.)
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However bad Trump's trade policy might be, nobody today is as protectionist as Hoover and the Republicans of his day were.

Ronald Reagan was more protectionist than many would like to think -- without being a Herbert Hoover -- or maybe Reagan was just lucky that NAFTA was finalized when his successors were in charge.

I don't have a problem with Kudlow. Stephen Moore, though, has been an open borders guy (or something very close to it) going way back. Of course, he's going to attack Trump -- and of course, he should be ignored or put in his place.

34 posted on 08/29/2015 10:02:07 AM PDT by x
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“Stephen Moore & Lawrence Kudlow “

Two more a$$holes who have been posing as conservatives have outed themselves. Trump is doing this country more of a service than even he realizes. Creating a world trade situation where the playing field is level isn’t protectionism, it’s just smart. The truth is the people to whom Moore and Kudlow owe their allegiance don’t give a $hit about anything but their own pockets.


38 posted on 08/29/2015 10:12:23 AM PDT by vette6387
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Who’owns’ Free trade ? Not my elderly mom who tried to do some free trading of her own by purchasing medication in Canada until the government said screw you....

Whatever we are experiencing in this country is not free & it’s not trade. Open borders, HB1 slaves, off-shoring of jobs & on it goes.


39 posted on 08/29/2015 10:21:22 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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Trump appears to be a protectionist. That will be counterproductive to regaining prosperity. There are somêother problems with Trump. That said, he is the only one who can make the moves necessary to regain the Republic. He has the mien of a dictator. The next president, as the current one, will be a dictator because Congress has ceded all of its real power to the President. The USSC has amplified the trend. The next president cannot give that power back to Congress and I would hope he doesn't try. The next Congress will almost surely be Democrat as there is no reason at all for conservatives to vote for Senators and Representatives. They are corrupt going in or they become corrupted totally within hours of being seated.

The new Dictator, if he is to make a real attempt to restore the Republic has to use his Fiat to bypass Congress and the Courts and immediately abolish the Agencies and all their regulations and institute a low t\flat tax with no deduttions or other complications at all

That alone would restore prosperity in a relative flash but would solidify the Dictatorship and make it inevitable that the next Dictar\tor would more true to the Jefe or Caudillo form. He has to persuade, not force, the States to call an Article 5 Convention at which the 17th Amendment must be repealed then the States can proceed further and take back the power the Constitution gave them in the first place. Once that process is complete, he would ideally resign or decline to run again and let the chips fall.

That is ideally. Ideally doesn't happen very often. I am not optimistic but feel that any other than Trump, any other that has appeared by now, cannot or will not do these things. Trump can and may, only may. George Washington is a once-in History man. Reagan and Thatcher come along once in a couple of centuries, maybe. May in the present state of the nation is sufficient for my support. It is all a gamble but there are better slim odds with Trump. At least he has the force of character and the will to carry something like that through. With Cruz as his VP and Palin and Carson as prominent members of his team, maybe, just maybe.

40 posted on 08/29/2015 10:23:00 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true.)
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Stephen Moore & Lawrence Kudlow are two GOPe scumbags. Disregard what they have to say.


41 posted on 08/29/2015 10:23:39 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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God forbid we have someone who puts America first.


43 posted on 08/29/2015 10:34:47 AM PDT by Wolfie
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Momma used to make white gravy for breakfast & she always called it “Hoover Soup” - (You make it using water instead of milk. If you use milk to make it; you can no longer call it “Hoover Soup”.)


46 posted on 08/29/2015 10:37:47 AM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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As as Jeffersonian, I understand & ordinarily favor very low tariffs, and free trade. However, the indifference of many Wall Street types--and do not misunderstand me, I have been in the market since I was 18, as my only real form of savings;--the indifference of many Wall Street types, today, to the particular interests of their fellow Americans, adds a factor to the free trade argument, which Jefferson would never have had any truck with, whatsoever.

We need to find ways to counter the breakdown in a sense of community, in what were once congenial & caring communities in virtually every State in the Union. If businesses do not factor in a sense of community in their business decisions--i.e., a sense of being a part of the communities in which they are (or were) headquartered; they clearly play into the hands of those crack-pot internationalists who want to undermine the very concept of a nation; or the unique heritages of the peoples of the world. They also, undermine the once responsive sense of a community, among those who once looked to them as a source of local pride, employment, etc..

It also should be noted that Hoover, unlike this Ohioan, was very much of an internationalist. They pick on one Tariff Bill, which I guess he signed. But his whole history was as a Left leaning--never a right leaning--Republican. But if they actually wanted to better understand the Great Depression--and how many people managed to survive under desperate circumstances;--they would look at many strong communities, where Americans who then cared about their neighbors shared their better material well being with them, in much the same spirit that people on the frontier joined in building their neighbor's barns.

Anyone who is unable to recognize the community pride element that once was a major factor in business decisions, does not really understand economics. The simplistic pursuit of immediate cost savings, over all other elements of real value, is a display of narrow focused ignorance; the opposite of sound economics.

47 posted on 08/29/2015 10:43:45 AM PDT by Ohioan
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