Gun Control In England: 2 Unarmed Female Officers Gunned Down In Ambush

gunsnfreedom.com ^ | 9/25/2015 | Tim

[the scotsman]

Like you, I am pro-gun, a gun owner and oppose the overly restrictive UK laws. That said, your guns do not keep you safer than I or sinsofsolarempire. Much as I/we love America, we live in a far safer country. And I get no joy from saying that.

[21twelve]

“...can greatly reduce the number of gun homicides...”

The rate for other violent crimes in the UK is much higher though (assault, rape, etc.) than in the U.S. Although a freeper pointed out awhile ago that some/much of that may be in the language. A “rape” in the UK may even include inappropriate touching or something like that iirc.

[rktman]

LOL! You must be having a good time then because it appears they are the only ones that fly. Bad times seem to drag on and on and on. This past 6+ yrs under the current U.S. admin has been at least 20 years.

[the scotsman]

Is America safer than Britain? 'Critics have seized on the supposed fact that overall crime, and violent crime in particular, is apparently higher in Britain than in America. The logic of this, presumably, is that the kind of tight gun laws that came in over here after the 1996 Dunblane tragedy haven’t made the country safer in general. Much of the commentary on this appears to have been inspired by this 2009 report in the Mail, which quoted statistics circulated by the Conservative Party, then in opposition. The article claimed that there were 2,034 violent incidents per 100,000 people in the UK and only 466 in America, a “fact” repeated endlessly on the internet in recent days. But the comparison is a meaningless one. Some crimes are easy to compare on a country-by-country basis. Murders are fairly easy to count – you’re either dead or alive. But what other incidents count as “violent crime”? Different countries will have different opinions about this, and the percentage of crimes that are actually reported to the police will vary wildly too, making international comparisons difficult. The FBI – the source of that “466 in 100,000″ figure (the number is actually from 2007) – defines violent crime as murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. The British definition is much looser, including all crimes against the person and sexual offences, hence the much higher number. And lumping all these various crimes together to get a total of “violent incidents” means that a murder and an assault count as one incident, making no allowance for the difference in seriousness. So the article asks us to believe that Britain is more violent than South Africa, when nearly 17,000 people were murdered in South Africa in 2009 compared to fewer than 800 people here. For what it’s worth, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime has had a stab at producing comparable crime stats for different parts of the world. The latest figures suggest that the burglary rate in England and Wales is about 35 per cent higher and there are more than double the number of assaults per 100,000 residents. Your chances of being robbed are about 20 per cent higher in England and Wales than in the US. But the figures for rape are almost identical, and you are massively more likely to be murdered in America, whether a gun is involved or not. The overall homicide rate is about four times higher.' http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/gun-control-what-can-america-learn-from-britain/12466

[the scotsman]

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/gun-control-what-can-america-learn-from-britain/12466

[21twelve]

Thanks! You may have been the one that posted this type of information before that I recalled.

[DoodleDawg]

You are aware that the two were killed in 2012, aren’t you? How many police officers were shot in the UK since then? And how many in the U.S.?

[Bringbackthedraft]

We had our pants down, you were still fast asleep in bed. ............................ Ah yes, but look at we had in the closet for you, along with 99 destroyers in the bathtub, just in case you needed a quick fix.

[SkyDancer]

First of all we have to get rid of Piers Morgan and send him back to you. Bottom line to me is I can protect myself here where I feel endangered in the UK. A story several years ago about this woman who was accosted in the Tube by three thugs. All she had was a penknife. Long story short she was arrested and the judge said to her they didn’t need that American defense stuff here in the UK and had her deported.

[the scotsman]

LOL

[the scotsman]

Proof of story please.

[rktman]

Yes, ‘the scotsman’ corrected me on that. But, there was no date on the story I posted that I saw.

[the scotsman]

1—We dont want him.

2—As a person, male or female, you are safer in the UK. As a 45 year old, with 27 years as an adult, living some part of that in the UK’s toughest city, as well as travelling to many UK cities, I have been the victim of crime once.

[SkyDancer]

And I’ve been pretty much all over the US and never have been attacked. There are some pretty scary areas around airports but I don’t walk them alone. Even still, I feel more safe in the US than anywhere in the UK. I spent a bit over four years in Oz, fortunately in the bush where it’s pretty safe except for the critters. I had to get a license to have a pellet pistol (which is not a firearm) for protection from them.

[samtheman]

** STUPIDITY KILLS **

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Yup.

[the scotsman]

And have you spent time in the UK (and I don’t mean just bits of London). I get the feeling that if the UK had no rapes and no murders and no violent crime, you tell me the US is safer. I believe the UK to be safer, not because its my country, but because the facts prove it.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Much as I/we love America, we live in a far safer country. And I get no joy from saying that.

It depends on where you are. The black murdering hoards in the ultra gun-controlled cities (like Chicago )are largely responsible for the stats. And they are mostly killing each other.

The red states and counties on the election map are very safe.