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Hillary: When I’m president, we’re closing the “gun-show loophole” whether Congress wants to or not
Hot Air.com ^ | October 5, 2015 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 10/05/2015 2:30:13 PM PDT by Kaslin

If this sounds familiar, it’s because Obama took the same attitude towards executive amnesty. Either Congress could give him what he wanted by legalizing illegals or he’d give himself what he wanted by legalizing illegals unilaterally. The president no longer loses in our system of (giggle) separation of powers, at least if he has a complacent caucus from his own party in Congress that’s willing to defend him on every power grab at their branch’s expense. Hillary’s building on that precedent now, in the middle of a surprisingly tough primary campaign, to stroke one of the few political erogenous zones that excites the left more than open borders does.

Hillary embracing gun control is a bit like Jeb Bush embracing Dubya’s legacy. There’s a lot of potential downside in the general election and comparatively little upside, but in the primary that calculus is reversed. Besides, if Hillary’s destined to be attacked as a gun-grabber in the general no matter what she does, just as Jeb is destined to be attacked as running for 43’s third term, they might as well embrace those images and earn some brownie points from their own side in the process.

The proposal most likely to generate controversy is using executive action to close the so-called gun show loophole, if efforts to pass new measures in Congress do not succeed, according to a campaign aide to Mrs. Clinton, who asked for anonymity to lay out the plans before the candidate does…

A central issue in Mrs. Clinton’s proposals are the background checks on prospective gun buyers, which are required for retailers at stores. But under federal law, they are not required at gun shows or over the Internet with private sellers.

Under Mrs. Clinton’s plan, she would use administrative powers to make anyone selling a substantial number of guns declared “in the business” of firearms dealing, and subject to the same rules as retailers, if Congress does not act, according to the campaign aide.

It was not immediately clear what the bar for being declared “in the business” would be.

When was the last time a degenerate responsible for a mass shooting used the alleged “gun-show loophole” to buy his murder weapon? The nut in Oregon owned 14 guns, every one of which turned out to be traceable to a federal firearms dealer. To the extent that today’s Hillary proposal is designed to capitalize on public horror over yet another massacre on an American campus, it’s an exercise in “gesture liberalism,” a feelgood do-something measure that doesn’t actually address a major problem. In fact, even the way this supposed problem is framed is a lie: As many of you already know, the “gun-show loophole” that supposedly allows anyone to sell an arsenal of weapons to a buyer without a background check is nothing of the sort. Where the sale occurs doesn’t matter, as Sean Davis explains. Whether at a gun show or anywhere else, if you’re selling weapons to the public repetitively and in any kind of volume, you’re a dealer for purposes of the law and are required to perform a check of the buyer. The “loophole” that permits sales without a background check effectively only covers sales between two private individuals who live in the state and only if the seller isn’t selling guns regularly. Think “dad selling his pistol to his son,” not “guy in a booth selling AR-15s to dozens of strangers at a gun show.”

Again, though: As with the “assault weapons” ban, this is less about Democrats trying to solve a glaring problem than about (a) signaling to the left that they’re on the team and (b) moving the Overton window, however marginally, towards greater federal regulation of guns. Which raises a good question from Greg Sargent. If Hillary thinks this is worth doing as president, even if just to polish her liberal cred, how come President Overreach hasn’t done it already himself? As for the broader politics of this, put me down with Drew McCoy as favoring anyone in the upcoming House GOP elections for Speaker and majority leader who has a strategy for restoring Congress as a check on the executive and is willing to speak up in favor of it. That’s the Overton window that desperately needs moving. It won’t be easy.

Hillary Clinton: We Need Universal Background Checks To Curb Gun Violence


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To: Kaslin

EO, EO, it’s off to work she goes.


61 posted on 10/05/2015 3:40:03 PM PDT by bgill ( CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: bk1000; maxwellsmart_agent
Buying from a licensed dealer at a gun show requires NICS check and form.

Yes. The idea is to use NICS records (which by law are not permanently kept) to build a secret and illegal national registry of who owns guns .... for confiscation later.

Forcing FFL's to go out of business (when by law they have to send all their FFA Yellow Sheets to the ATF for preservation) would serve somewhat the same purpose, hence the proposals to burden FFL's unduly (and break them).

That was done once by Slick in the 90's, when FFL licenses were increased in cost about fourfold by Slick's Midnight Basketball Act. Large numbers of smalltime, basement-table FFL's turned it in (about 3/4 of all FFL's at the time).


Two things to remember:

The illegal registry-building, in the face of repeated Acts of Congress, went on even during the administration of Bush 43. Remember that.

Two: Business-class (RiNO, e-GOP, "moderate") Republicans are not your friend. The Pew Sociology Survey in the 1990's (updated periodically since) showed that, on the Right, support for RKBA is weakest among the RiNO group. This is because country-club Republicans and businessmen don't like their employees and helper class owning firearms. They get rich by being unpleasant and underhanded sometimes, and they want to be able to do such things with impunity and with the support of the law, and of LEO's everywhere. Pew's information workers identified, for gun-control supporters, this particular group on the Right as being most likely to roll over, with the right approach, on the 2A rights of other conservatives. (Pew is, after all, a liberal think tank.)


62 posted on 10/05/2015 3:49:54 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Frank_2001
NEITHER Jeb nor Hillary are electable

Unless the Democrats nominate Hillary and the Republicans nominate Jeb, in which case one or the other will be elected.

And no, Trump running as a third party candidate will not get elected. In a three party race, the best any third party candidate can hope for is to win a plurality of the electoral college, which means that it then goes to the House, which will pick the candidate of whichever party controls the House at the time.

63 posted on 10/05/2015 4:10:13 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Kaslin
Evidently Hillary is not aware of the historical evolution of the 2nd Amendment during the formation of our great constitution. The Federalist, Anti-Federalist and the State Legislatures all realized the intertwining of the right to keep and bear arms and individual liberty. Thank God for their brilliance.

Mark Levin gave an excellent summary of this in his opener today. Can access after 6:30 PST here Mark Levin site. Click Audio Rewind and a player will come up with today's show. Just excellent, like a classroom presentation. I highly recommend it.

Oh, and Hillary, We the People are not giving up the 2nd Amendment. Period. End of story. If you do not understand the importance of it, you are not fit to be an American President.

64 posted on 10/05/2015 4:12:32 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: EEGator

Maybe she should have a heart to heart talk with Sarah Brady about Middletown, Ohio. My boys sure gave her a grand welcome there. I was never prouder to be a Middletonian, lol. She never showed her face for years after that. Please go there Hillary. I bet they do more then throw shoes at you this time. I see the democrats haven’t learned squat after the 80’s.


65 posted on 10/05/2015 4:18:50 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: Art in Idaho

one can only wonder what will precipitate closing the hillary loophole


66 posted on 10/05/2015 4:23:22 PM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
What is the gun show loophole? I am serious. I’ve been hearing this from the democrats for years now and no one has really defined it.

It's private sales WITH NO PAPER TRAIL. And that's the real issue.

67 posted on 10/05/2015 5:29:31 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Cis-American)
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To: EEGator

Exactly how I feel! There is a facebook rage to counter this anti gun movement (AGAIN) going on ever since all this happened in Oregon. Hey it’s not the guns America it’s the Criminals!! I cannot believe we are still battling this! Taking guns from law abiding citizens or making more restrictions on gun-owners is not the answer!
Logic and Free Americans is not the dems/leftist agenda, as we all know!


68 posted on 10/05/2015 5:30:59 PM PDT by djstex
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To: wrench
That makes the confiscation much easier 2 years later.

Bingo. The only point of registration is confiscation.
69 posted on 10/05/2015 5:31:30 PM PDT by akalinin
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“the anger, frustration and bitterness that will gnaw on her after wasting decades and a small fortune on two failed efforts to win the White House in which she had every advantage only to lose before even leaving the starting gate will be worse than any prison.
In January 2017, Hillary Clinton will be sitting in front of a television set watching someone else take the oath of office. Nothing the penal system has to offer would be a harsher punishment than that moment.”

I have often had similar ideas. Let us hope our vision of her misery will actually happen.


70 posted on 10/05/2015 5:46:00 PM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: Kaslin

Really? Is that all she’s got? Pathetic old witch, grabbing at straws again.


71 posted on 10/05/2015 5:49:27 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: Kaslin

Why is this criminal allowed to run for President? She should have been indicted by now.

Once again, she threatens to be lawless.


72 posted on 10/05/2015 5:49:48 PM PDT by dforest
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

The term “close the gun show loophole” is just smoke and mirrors to hide what the gun grabbers are really up to. The real goal is to eliminate all undocumentated private individual to individual sales, gifting, inheritances, etc, by forcing as these types of transfers of ownership through FFL holders thereby eventually a federal registery of all private guns would be developed thus making a door to door confiscation possible.


73 posted on 10/05/2015 6:16:28 PM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Starstruck

Uhh, did you not read all my post? I basically stated the same thing as you.


74 posted on 10/05/2015 6:19:28 PM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Kaslin

Ask Hillary these questions.

1. What EXACTLY is the Gun Show Loophole?

2. What EXACTLY is an Assault Weapon?

3. Do you understand the term “shall not be infringed” or are you running for Dictator?

4. Why aren’t you in Jail yet?


75 posted on 10/05/2015 6:24:55 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Missing Tagline. Reward for return.)
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To: Kaslin

And then... (ha ha ha) she said... (ha ha ha) when I'm president,...(ha ha ha ) we’re closing the “gun-show loophole” (ha ha ha) whether Congress wants to or not. (ha ha ha)

Oh this is funny. You can't make this sh*t up.

76 posted on 10/05/2015 6:37:04 PM PDT by seawolf101
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To: Kaslin

And then... (ha ha ha) she said... (ha ha ha) when I'm president,...(ha ha ha ) we’re closing the “gun-show loophole” (ha ha ha) whether Congress wants to or not. (ha ha ha)

Oh this is funny. You can't make this sh*t up.

77 posted on 10/05/2015 6:37:07 PM PDT by seawolf101
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To: snoringbear
Uhh, did you not read all my post? I basically stated the same thing as you.

Sorry Bear. I've been attacked so many times today, I don't know whether I'm coming or going.

78 posted on 10/05/2015 6:45:00 PM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: Kaslin

Owning guns are a constitutionally protected civil right. Buying a gun from a private free person without government permission is not a loophole.


79 posted on 10/05/2015 6:53:51 PM PDT by GregoTX (Cruzader)
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To: bert
one can only wonder what will precipitate closing the hillary loophole

Never let a crisis go to waste. .

80 posted on 10/05/2015 7:34:35 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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