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Conservatives Need To Avoid The Libertarian Trap
Townhall.com ^ | January 3, 2016 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 01/03/2016 5:29:11 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 01/03/2016 5:29:11 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The GOP establishment trap has worked so well for so many years. /s


2 posted on 01/03/2016 5:35:37 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Kaslin
Far too many conservatives have forgotten that political victories take time …
Is that the “incremental” argument again?
3 posted on 01/03/2016 5:37:26 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Kaslin
In theory, the article is right. However this country does not have any time left for us to be patient. If immigration continues the way it is going now, we will be so overrun by democrat voters that future elections will just be an exorcise with a preordained outcome. If spending continues the way it is going now, the economy will collapse. We are very close now to a civil war if Obama proceeds with taking away the guns. There is just no time left to be patient!
4 posted on 01/03/2016 5:44:43 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Kaslin

the GOP has chased away the libertarians, not the other way around.


5 posted on 01/03/2016 5:46:29 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: Kaslin
For all their shunning of Christianity, Democrats have the patience of Job when it comes to their agenda.

And with that non sequitur the TownHall author displays the same depth of biblical knowledge that they generally demonstrate for politics these days.

( yeah, I understand what he meant to say, it is just that errors like that pop out, sorry to nitpick )

6 posted on 01/03/2016 5:47:10 AM PST by Democratic-Republican
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Fabian Socialists got their “name” for their patience. The wet-dreams of Sugar Keynes of Harvard (the sodomite raping the little boys and bragging about it with his homosexual orgy buddies in letters) have been realized by no less than the evil SCOTUS who is promoting the religion of Satanism by their unconstitutional “laws” which reject Natural Law and God’s Laws the basis of American Jurisprudence until the Marxist takeover which now promotes a Vice System..

What the Libertarians fail to understand is Western Civilization. That without Virtue, there can be no Freedom. Without Virtue, you have a system of vice which will collapse any “civil” society.

In the 13th Century it was thoroughly realized by St. Thomas Aquinas that Faith and Reason are essential in ALL human beings-—it exists and without one or the other—you are not God’s Design of the human being. All humans have Faith and it is ONLY the Christian “Fatih” which gave us Modern Science and The Age of Reason with the UNDERSTANDING that some “Faith” is much more REASONED than the irrational, contradictory Eastern/atheist/sexist muslim or pagan “faiths” where contradictions were enormous and the “blind” faith—like in Marxism/Atheism is totally irrational and based on the Big Lie.

There is ONLY one religion which is in line with Individualism and Natural Rights from God—Our Constitution—the Supreme Law of the Land-—and without Right Reason (like with sodomy and baby-killing promotion) you get irrational, unjust (evil) “Law” which is “null and void” according to our Founders and St. Thomas Aquinas and the Nuremberg Trial judges.

Without “Justice” (the Queen of Virtue), there is no possibility of Freedom or a civil society. PERIOD. Libertarians “think” “faith” is anathema to Law when it is ALL Reasoned Faith (if based on the Christian Worldview ONLY). When you throw out “..the Laws of Nature and nature’s God” you throw out Individual Natural Rights from God (true Freedom from arbitrary man-made up tyranny “laws”).


7 posted on 01/03/2016 5:56:19 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Exactly right.

This article sounds as if the author wants us to have the patience for Jeb!, not the patience of Job.

Not voting for any more Cheap Labor Express candidates.

The Republicans haven’t moved the ball right because they are Democtrats in R jerseys, not conservatives. They only use conservative language at election time. See McAmnesty


8 posted on 01/03/2016 6:01:46 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Kaslin
Yet many conservatives, particularly in media, think each electoral victory immediately should bring about massive conservative change. When that doesn''t happen, they attack with a ferocity they don't reserve even for liberals.

What a steaming pantload. It is the GOPe that attacks conservatives in primaries with far more ferocity they attack Dems in the general. Conservatives are just tired of the GOPe being handed electoral victories by the Tea Party and then refusing to attempt to even try brandishing the power they have been dealt.

9 posted on 01/03/2016 6:12:45 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Kaslin

True of social conservatives and other ideologues as well as libertarians. Pro-lifers are the extreme example of what the libertarians are (accurately) accused of.

Example: In State A there is a Senator and a Congressman hated by both libertarians, Social Conservatives, neo-cons and all parts of the big tent. So a libertarian runs for one of the seats we don’t hold and a social conservative runs for the other seat we don’t hold.

We need to build a coalition that works for both of those candidates. But that doesn’t happen.

We ideologues fail to realize that the nature of a political party is different from that of a religion. If a fellow church member denies the deity of Jesus Christ, he should not be a member of my church. But political parties are not religions. Political parties are coalitions of convenience. They are tactical vehicles to win.


10 posted on 01/03/2016 6:29:59 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Kaslin

quote “There never will be a “silver bullet” election or candidate; that’s impossible. “

BS !!!

Make me president and let me wield the kind of unchecked power Obama has been allowed to and I could fix the country and get it back on the right track in less than 6 months!


11 posted on 01/03/2016 6:30:09 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: Kaslin

This writer didn’t proofread his work very well. Perhaps he is inpatient.


12 posted on 01/03/2016 6:34:18 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: FatherofFive

Sorry to disappoint you, but a libertarian, or any other third party candidate will ever get elected.


13 posted on 01/03/2016 6:41:43 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Good point


14 posted on 01/03/2016 6:42:46 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: muir_redwoods

Name one libertarian that has ever been elected to office. You can’t


15 posted on 01/03/2016 6:44:48 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: GSWarrior

“This writer didn’t proofread his work very well. Perhaps he is inpatient.”

Or maybe he needs outpatient treatment for impatience? Just kidding, I know you wrote iNpatient on purpose...or was it IN purpose.


16 posted on 01/03/2016 6:45:56 AM PST by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

What makes you think so? There is no mention or any hint that he is for John Ellis Bush in the article as there is none in the articles by the author. So please stop speculating.


17 posted on 01/03/2016 6:52:17 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: spintreebob

Nope, what you and Derek Hunter fail to understand is that you don’t win by losing. Let us assume that a particular policy (like abortion) is at point A on a continuum. When the liberals offer up legislation to move the policy way left to point B, a victory is NOT moving the policy to point C, halfway between A and B.

The fact is that the modern Republican party has no interest in conservative victories. They are not even interested in moving toward conservative principles. They are simply interested in getting elected. So every time the nation slides a little more to the left, they do too.

Name for me a single policy in the U.S. where the government and laws are more conservative than they were when Obama took office? The GOPe haven’t been slowly winning anything. They’ve been slowly losing, so that their voters won’t blame them for a sudden defeat. But who amongst them is fighting for women to not be on the front lines? Who is fighting for the total repeal of Obamacare? Who is fighting for the rejection of gay marriage? Not the GOPe (or Derek Hunter’s favorites). Not Paul Ryan. They say the choice has been made, can’t be changed, and just needs to be fixed a little...

So don’t talk to me about patience. Not until you start winning and moving the political system slowly to the right. I’ve got no patience with folks who are happy to slowly lose...


18 posted on 01/03/2016 7:00:21 AM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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“Name one libertarian that has ever been elected to office. You can’t”

A partial list of libertarians elected to public office.

https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-officials


19 posted on 01/03/2016 7:10:32 AM PST by NRx (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: muir_redwoods
The GOP has chased away the libertarians, not the other way around.

Yep, they chased me away a year ago; so I joined the Libertarian Party. They turned out to be useless potheads who, as Neil Boortz has pointed out, don't think liberty is worth defending. So now I've joined the ranks of the politically homeless as an Unaffiliated.

20 posted on 01/03/2016 7:13:20 AM PST by snarkpup ("If you're meditating when the throat-cutter comes, your throat will be cut." - Michael Savage)
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