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Conservatives Need To Avoid The Libertarian Trap
Townhall.com ^ | January 3, 2016 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 01/03/2016 5:29:11 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: TBP
Actually what he said was this:

A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'

Brainy Quote
Also in page 4
Nothing here either

41 posted on 01/03/2016 1:01:26 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

He said both.


42 posted on 01/03/2016 1:03:54 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

Than prove it to me. I checked several links and nothing showed. There are quotes by him about liberals but none on libertarians


43 posted on 01/03/2016 1:12:45 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
I believe it's in Quotations from Chairman Bill, but I'll double check that.
44 posted on 01/03/2016 1:15:22 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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I can’t speak to a counterargument unless the argument I was inquiring about is established.

And political changes towards the left take no time whatsoever when the RINO wing of the Uniparty supports them in a “bipartisan” manner.


45 posted on 01/03/2016 1:31:06 PM PST by Olog-hai
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I can't speak to a counterargument unless the argument I was inquiring about is established.

I figured you were talking about the "incremental argument" because you thought you had something to disprove it, that is, a counterargument or counter-theory to explain how changes happen. But if you don't you don't. Which leaves me wondering why you brought it up to begin with.

And political changes towards the left take no time whatsoever when the RINO wing of the Uniparty supports them in a "bipartisan" manner.

Really? The left has been talking about government health care for decades. That certainly didn't happen overnight, nor did Republicans support it. Gun control, global warming, likewise. Somebody's been pushing that stuff for decades and it's going through now without Republican support.

46 posted on 01/03/2016 1:41:42 PM PST by x
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To: TBP

Here is no less a conservative than President Ronald Reagan saying the same thing (essentially):

www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/conservatism

“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals — if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”

The difference is that conservatives are also the supporters of the permanent things, to use Russell Kirk’s phrase, the order and tradition that have made society function. The conservative vision is ordered liberty — a government that firmly secures our liberty and does little else.


47 posted on 01/03/2016 1:45:14 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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Obamacare was pushed through by using the so-called “nuclear option”, yes? No GOP minority even thought to shut the government down to stop the vote from happening. And as soon as it gets passed, it’s suddenly “the law of the land” by the GOP establishment and they unquestionably fully fund it. Quite sudden indeed and quite “bipartisan”.

And I was asking a question. Getting an answer in the form of another question can be an answer and it also cannot be an answer depending on its contents.


48 posted on 01/03/2016 1:45:55 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: x
Unquestionably = unquestioningly
49 posted on 01/03/2016 1:47:10 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Kaslin

Here is no less a conservative than President Ronald Reagan saying the same thing (essentially):

www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/conservatism

“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals — if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”

The difference is that conservatives are also the supporters of the permanent things, to use Russell Kirk’s phrase, the order and tradition that have made society function. The conservative vision is ordered liberty — a government that firmly secures our liberty and does little else.


50 posted on 01/03/2016 2:47:25 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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Here are a couple of interesting articles on libertarianism that might be pertinent to this discussion:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-right-wing-libertarianism-and-left-wing-libertarianism

www.laissez-fairerepublic.com/LIBERTAR.htm


51 posted on 01/03/2016 2:48:56 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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http://www.laissez-fairerepublic.com/LIBERTAR.htm


52 posted on 01/03/2016 2:50:20 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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