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UNBELIEVABLE Update - Oregon "Bundy Militia" Standoff - The Federal Prosecutor...
CTH ^ | January 4, 2016 | by sundance

Posted on 01/04/2016 3:52:15 PM PST by combat_boots

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To: Las Vegas Ron
But you don't punish the ones who fulfilled their sentences, you should punish the judge who erred in the sentencing, no?

I agree that the judge needs to be held to account but don't see why the convicted lawbreakers shouldn't serve the full sentence mandated by law.

21 posted on 01/04/2016 4:21:25 PM PST by semimojo
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To: vpintheak

The winners make the rules, My FRiend. And if you think that it is bad now, wait 6 months from now. The seeds sown in 2008 have now matured and the fruit is ripe and ready for the reaping.


22 posted on 01/04/2016 4:21:56 PM PST by sport
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To: iontheball

You have a point.

Then again, it’s not like it’s the armchair critics’ ranches or homes now, is it.

“First, they came for the Bundys,...


23 posted on 01/04/2016 4:25:14 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: iontheball

indeed. doers do their duty as they see it and accept the responsibility for their actions. others don’t care to do much of anything for anybody but themselves, mostly out of fear.


24 posted on 01/04/2016 4:25:32 PM PST by dadfly
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To: semimojo
I agree that the judge needs to be held to account but don't see why the convicted lawbreakers shouldn't serve the full sentence mandated by law.

Not withstanding the fact it's a draconian law, improperly imposed, it's been over 2 years since their sentence was fulfilled.

This is an immoral miscarriage of justice, imho.

25 posted on 01/04/2016 4:26:23 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: sport

Yes indeed. If Trump gets elected, I really fear there will be hell to pay.
He’ll be a dictator like owebowma, but he will be our dictator, right?
All numbers point to a Shrillary presidency however. I am just buying a gun every now and then, and some ammo, and some dry food.
Just being prepared.


26 posted on 01/04/2016 4:27:01 PM PST by vpintheak (Death before disarmament!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
But you don't punish the ones who fulfilled their sentences, you should punish the judge who erred in the sentencing, no?

Judge retired right after the decision.

They were sentenced in 2012, this smells.

Appeals take a while.

27 posted on 01/04/2016 4:29:44 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: combat_boots
I read it as making it necessary to renege on the plea deal to get the decision the feds wanted the entire time.

That's really the point. Our legislators and one of our Presidents, in their wisdom, enacted a law that prohibits plea bargaining punishment below a minimum level.

Many of us have problems with minimum sentencing laws but it's really missing the point to blame a prosecutor or the courts for upholding the law. Blame your Congress.

I have to believe a lot of FReepers might have a different take if this was a bunch of BLMers who took over some federal facility to protest mandatory minimum sentences for dealing crack.

28 posted on 01/04/2016 4:29:54 PM PST by semimojo
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To: Las Vegas Ron

How can this not be a form of double jeopardy?


29 posted on 01/04/2016 4:30:29 PM PST by headstamp 2
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To: dadfly
"as more and more comes to light in this story, im glad i was not inclined to be an armchair critic of the bundys."

I'm respectfully requesting armchair Bundy critics stand down until more information is known. /s
30 posted on 01/04/2016 4:31:07 PM PST by TauntedTiger (Born free!)
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To: semimojo

Actually, I think the Hammonds should not have been charged at all.


31 posted on 01/04/2016 4:31:38 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: DoodleDawg
I am so, so, so shocked you would take the contrarian view in support of tyranny.

Troll.

32 posted on 01/04/2016 4:31:45 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Baynative

Post the BLM map of the coast states. Every other section of land up the coast to Canada.


33 posted on 01/04/2016 4:32:00 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Baynative

Bttt


34 posted on 01/04/2016 4:32:38 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: combat_boots

Who prosecuted the trial - the Bush Administration or Obama?


35 posted on 01/04/2016 4:32:58 PM PST by theoilpainter
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To: Las Vegas Ron

BO has packed everything with his loyalists.


36 posted on 01/04/2016 4:33:04 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: combat_boots
Actually, I think the Hammonds should not have been charged at all.

Perhaps, but without being on the jury and hearing both sides I don't think any of us can say for sure.

What I do know is that they were found guilty by a jury of their peers and ultimately sentenced according to the law.

37 posted on 01/04/2016 4:36:04 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
...but don't see why the convicted lawbreakers shouldn't serve the full sentence mandated by law.

Seriously? Good Lord some authoritarian "conservatives" are as obtuse as the most blockheaded progressives.

38 posted on 01/04/2016 4:36:16 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: headstamp 2
How can this not be a form of double jeopardy?

My understanding of double jeopardy is that you can't be tried twice for the same crime.

This is different, though is smack of being sentenced twice for the same crime.

Even though there were mandatory sentences, which I'm not sure I agree with, the judge is the one who erred here not the accused.

I', no lawyer, but do have and understanding of some law.

Was is Clarence Darrow that said that the law is an ass?

This case seems to prove it.

39 posted on 01/04/2016 4:36:53 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I am so, so, so shocked you would take the contrarian view in support of tyranny.

And the fact that you come down in support of activist judges upholding laws that they agree with and not the ones they don't agree with doesn't surprise me either.

40 posted on 01/04/2016 4:37:04 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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