Posted on 01/07/2016 11:20:55 AM PST by Kaslin
Awaiting the imminent arrival of the usual frantic and panicked anti-Cruz jihadists.
Trump wants the media talking about Cruz’s NBC and not his character and platform. On NBC Trump is has an advantage with two parents both citizens, on character and platform...advantage Cruz.
I would like to see the matter settled once and for all but I don’t think it will be. Either you are a natural-born citizen or you are not.
Would someone explain why the Cruz citizenship issue is so complex. Unlike Obama, where fraudulent birth certificate accusations muddied the waters, all of Cruz’s and our country’s documentation is out in the open.
Guess something’s ambiguous in our Constitution. The explanations out there are all long and there are a lot of them. Why the fog?
Sure. I’ll explain it. Ted Cruz is a statutory citizen-at-birth. He is not a citizen under the 14th Amendment. The courts have never ruled explicitly on whether or not a statutory citizen-at-birth is the legal equivalent of a natural-born citizen under the Constitution, which is required for eligibility to the presidency.
I believe the courts would rule in his favor, but the issue is not “settled law” as some conservative pundits claim.
Is a man who refuses to understand the law on an issue
qualified to be president.
You’d think with all his attorneys and with the case he
tried to make about Obama he would get it by now.
Anyone deemed to be a natural born citizen by Congressional statute is Constitutionally a NBC. The Constitution gave Congress sole authority to define citizenship in the Citizenship Clause.
And its worked. If it was Hillary spurring the media on like this against Cruz, we'd be calling them her lap-dogs...
Redo your research. The SCOTUS has already ruled on this.
We have had numerous candidates who have not been born in the US. e.g. Geo. Romney born in Mexico.
Trump just raising this so we won’t notice he
is in over his head. He cannot best Cruz in any
head to head confrontation because most of the time
Trump is winging it.
It’s been settled which is why Mexican-born Geo. Romney was
about the run for president.
Just because Trump is pretending it’s so does not make it so.
It would seem to benefit Cruz to have it brought out into the open and settled for once and all.
It would certainly be worse if this issue was raised right before the election and it was Cruz vs. Hillary.
Exactly, and why did he have his records sealed if he has nothing to hide? If he’s legible, then get it out there and over and done with. Just because he says so, doesn’t make it so, and we need to see his mother’s birth certificate too - maybe she wasn’t even born in the USA herself - maybe she is also Canadian born and thus, the reason for him sealing his records. See, how people think? This isn’t a distraction - it is something that needs to be settled.
I agree that Congress has such authority. SCOTUS has not, however, issued an opinion on the matter of those born abroad to citizen parents.
Every last DU member is probably canceling their cable/dish subscriptions because these silly threads are all the entertainment they need.
Yeah like the court system would get this done before the election. Not.
The Act also establishes the United States citizenship of certain children of citizens, born abroad, without the need for naturalization: "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens".
Since the Constitution gave Congress the authority to make that ruling, where is the issue?
No need. My research is quite current and correct. SCOTUS has never ruled on it.
According to the Foreign Affairs manual published by the U.S. Department of State, statutory citizenship (i.e. granted by U.S. statute at birth) may or may not be equivalent to natural-born citizenship under the U.S. Constitution.
7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
(...)
d. (snip) In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.
Because the media can use the fog to obscure the issues. The 'fog' is the normal everyday citizen's ignorance of every detail of the Constitution and the Laws of Naturalization and Immigration.
Just go out and ask the average person on the street if Cruz's Dad was born in the US. Or his Mom. Ask another person if the Dad was born in Canada, or the Mom. Ask them where Cruz was born. Ask them if he ever had a Canadian passport.
Ask them if Ted was born in Cuba. (bet you get some yes's). Then ask them if their answers mean that Cruz is, or is not a NBC according to US Law.
It's like that 'survey' where they asked if we should bomb Agrabah. Do you think we should, or shouldn't ?
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