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Ted Cruz Campaign Releases Mother's Birth Certificate to Satisfy Unsatisfiable Crazy People
Slate ^ | January 8, 2016 | Jim Newell

Posted on 01/09/2016 12:13:42 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: RC one
Born of an alien father in an alien country but somehow he's a natural born citizen because his mother was an American? that’s questionable.

Not really, no.

81 posted on 01/09/2016 3:37:48 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: grania
I've been thinking theoretically. Assume Cruz is a "natural born citizen". That would mean that if the wife of the Tsarnov maniac of Boston Marathon fame had been pregnant and moved to Toronto and had his child, that child would be a natural born citizen, even if Tsarnov had never been naturalized? It's a wild parallel, for sure. But it pretty much describes Cruz's situation.

So you are saying that Rafael Cruz is a murdering bomb throwing terrorist? If not, please use another example, or stand exposed as an *sshole.

82 posted on 01/09/2016 3:38:10 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oddly I think Trump did Cruz a favor with those comments. By the time the Iowa cauci happen this will be old news. It was already bubbling up with Cruz’s rise in the polls.


83 posted on 01/09/2016 3:40:13 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

HA HA, pretty funny headline from Slate.


84 posted on 01/09/2016 3:43:20 AM PST by jocon307
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To: grania
It would qualify children of a whole lot of people who want to do us harm as "natural born citizens" and they wouldn't even have to be born in the USA.

Some thug pulls a gun on you as you get out of your car in a dark parking lot some night and I am certain that the very first thought that runs through your mind is that maybe this guy is a US citizen - but maybe he was born in Nova Scotia.

Are you for real?

85 posted on 01/09/2016 3:43:22 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: RC one
His father was a Canadian citizen at the time of his birth and he was born in Canada. natural born citizen my ass.

8 U.S. Code § 1401: "The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (g)a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.

Cruz is a natural-born citizen.

86 posted on 01/09/2016 3:44:15 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Moonmad27
I am convinced Trump did this on purpose to get the issue discussed and over with before he picks Cruz as his VP.

If Trump doesn't think Cruz is eligible then why would he pick him for VP?

87 posted on 01/09/2016 3:46:46 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: cabojoe

+1. Took me forever to kill the spam. I did use a disposable account but I am fond of it so I worked through it.


88 posted on 01/09/2016 3:46:52 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: grania
I simply pointed out a couple of things that would cause an otherwise US citizen to not be able to have a US citizen child in Canada.

With what you have stated to me in your reply, that would make her child a US citizen at birth, because she can bestow citizenship on her child as a birth mother and that child would be eligible to be president of the USA the same as I am and you are if you are born by a US citizen mother. Location of that mother only maters if she is not there legally.

Brcause the child was born in Canada, the Canadian government would make him or she to be a Canadian citizen, thus creating dual citizenship for the child if their laws still function as they did in 1970.

89 posted on 01/09/2016 3:47:50 AM PST by Walt Griffith
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m not sure Trump can be blamed for that since he’s been pimping his name to any company will to pay for years now. Ties, steaks, bogus universities, as long as they can cut a check then they can slap the Trump name on it.


90 posted on 01/09/2016 3:49:20 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Seriously, I'm stunned.

Donald Trump actually said, "I'm doing this for the good of Ted" ...??

He really said that? (obviously I haven't watched the video, I skip watching Trump if possible because it's too painful and depressing to think that people I know and love are falling for that ill-bred BSing lop) ...

No way! I thought that in these threads and discussions, Trump supporters were only arguing that Trump meant to be helpful, which is laughable, but an understandable position for a supporter to take. But for Trump to claim?

He actually said "I'm doing this for the good of Ted" when he mentioned his "concern" about Cruz's eligibility?

Holy cow.

91 posted on 01/09/2016 3:49:48 AM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: John Valentine

If Trump is a British citizen it is fascinating that Parliament will debate if he can visit the UK.


92 posted on 01/09/2016 3:50:41 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Electric Graffiti
I think Donald could get a passport from any country just by asking.

Except maybe the UK. Depends on how that debate in Parliament goes.

93 posted on 01/09/2016 3:50:52 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Finny

Watch it.


94 posted on 01/09/2016 3:52:26 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jonrick46

Rafael came to the US in 1957.


95 posted on 01/09/2016 3:52:51 AM PST by Walt Griffith
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To: jonrick46
-- However, it is my observation that there was developed early in our nation's history a definite idea of what a Natural Born Citizen is --

Indeed. But the skill of applying statutory construction, and viewing this law as it was repealed and replaced, those are generally missing.

For example, the senate resolution finding McCain to be an NBC says the 1790 act defined NBC. But in ordinary statutory construction, "shall be considered as" is not a term that defines, it is a term that creates a legal fiction. If the Congress makes fundamental mistakes like that (and Congress isn't the only intellectually corrupt controlling entity, SCOTUS say the constitution contains a proviso that define marriage to include homosexual couples), it's not surprise that the public is misled.

I would guess that the fraction of people who are open-minded about this is 10%. All others have their mind made up, but few have their mind made up after careful, deliberate and correct study.

At any rate, to Cruz, the residence of his father is irrelevant. The clause in the 1790 act aims to cut off a US citizen father who was never in the US from passing his citizenship to the next generation. Cruz's statutory US citizenship (granted by 1401(g), at birth) is determined with reference to his mother's citizenship at the time Cruz was born, and his mother's prior residence in the US. All the conditions of 1401(g) are met. She could have gone to Canada, married a Canadian who never set foot in the US, and the child would still fit within the conditions set down in 1401(g). Under 1401(g), the residence conditions attach to the parent who is a citizen, not to the parent who is an alien.

96 posted on 01/09/2016 3:54:15 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: elhombrelibre

Very well said.


97 posted on 01/09/2016 3:56:00 AM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My “contrived scenario” is exactly the same as Cruz’s parental situation.


98 posted on 01/09/2016 3:59:25 AM PST by grania
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To: Finny

5:54 mark - but you should watch the entire 4 minute exchange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4cXVxCrqPc


99 posted on 01/09/2016 4:01:14 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: John Valentine

Of course I’m not saying Cruz’s father is a terrorist. I’m saying the definition that makes Cruz a US citizen wouldn’t stop my scenario from happening.


100 posted on 01/09/2016 4:01:25 AM PST by grania
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