Posted on 01/18/2016 8:43:43 AM PST by wagglebee
[[Plenty of alternative businesses are out there, but this was always about shutting it all down for the Bible-believing Christians if they do not 100% comply and celebrate!]]
Exactly- The gays swore up and down “All we want is just to e married- that’s it- We’re not after anyone’s rights or trying to hurt anyone, we just want to be allowed to enter into loving union with our partners’
They swore up and down that once they got gay marriage they would be satisfied - Of course Christians knew better- heck- even the liberals knew better- but they didn’t care because they don’t respect the rights of Christians-
That’s what happens when Godless immoral liars ‘promise’ that ‘all they really want is just to be happy’
It is now against the law to hold a religious belief that homosexuality is a sin if you run a business
The major constitutional problem with this action by the state is that it blatantly violates Section 1 of the 14th Amendment which prohibits the states from doing such things.
14th Amendment, Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States [emphasis added]; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Note that the 14th Amendment also gives Congress the power to strengthen constitutionally enumerated protections, freedom of religious expression in this case. But apathetic federal lawmakers have not lifted a finger to help the farmers in this case.
Remember in November !
[[Homosexuality is a ‘behavior’ – and service is refused based on behavior all the time.]]
Not anymore it isn’t- that is why the supreme court ruling was so destructive- it turned a ‘behavior’ into a genetic trait-
You argument of course is spot on correct- BUT the supreme court destroyed common sense and truth by it’s latest ruling
[[Beyond this, to now say homosexual marriage is right is to say all secular and religious icons in our past were wrong.]]
Exactly- the supreme court’s ruling basically outlawed Religious beliefs about homosexuality- If you run a business you are now no longer allowed to obey your God- it has become a crime to obey God now if a person denies someone who practices a sinful immoral lifestyle service-
We (Americans) accepted that very premise when we allowed the Fedgov to make private racial discrimination illegal in the 60's. People who decried the CRA as a slippery slope were painted as racists (gee that sounds familiar). Unless we are willing allow all forms of private discrimination to be legal, even the kind we find odious, we will be at the mercy of government dictates.
there were several acts that were created to protect people of ethnicities- and rightfully so I believe because a person should not be discriminated against because of their ethnicity- This protects white folks as well as other races as well as it is now illegal for a Mexican business to deny service to white folks- etc- it protects all ethnicities- A genetic trait should not be a cause for discrimination as we are all one (in terms of ethnic equality) under one God
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anti-discrimination_acts
Homosexuality is not a genetic trait.
Nor will any “gay gene” be found as it doesn’t exist.
Genetically self deleting genes do not get passed on to offspring that cannot be produced in such “unions”.
And therein lies the rub. Most people in this country find racial discrimination wrong so we allow government to take away the right of assembly from those who would discriminate based on race. In doing so we allow government to dictate what type of discrimination is illegal, and shouldn't be surprised when it uses that power to criminalize a type of discrimination we do find acceptable, or necessary.
exactly- I was just arguing that very same point- but unfortunately the supreme court has declared essentially that it is a ‘trait’ on equal footing with ethnic traits-
Sioux San summed it up perfectly- unfortunately the supreme court has ruled to violate our right to object to sinful lifestyle choices
I think they have the right to assemble but just not to actually discriminate against others
… even when military service was involuntary, we still made room for conscientious objectors who did not want to carry weapons. If we can allow people to exempt themselves from defending the country—which is the most important responsibility our government has—we can certainly allow people to exempt themselves from performing same-sex wedding ceremonies!
- Frank Turek
If you live in a state that has a law that defines marriage as between one man and one woman only, that is the law to abide by unless and until your legislature moves to comply with the five members of SCOTUS who just unconstitutionally ruled to protect “hurt feelings.” I am predicting that some state legislatures will not comply. Then what? Shall all the dissenting legislators be arrested for contempt of SCOTUS? Resistance is the only answer, IMHO. Do not make it easy for the Rule of Man Traitors and Social Engineers. We already know how this will end if we comply. Nothing is new under the sun.
The anti-Christian handwriting is on the wall with the courts right now, so standing up for your beliefs is a losing proposition.
Be it a florist, farmer or photographer, a lot of grief and monetary loss can be avoided by agreeing to whatever the queers want.
How does a court then rule on the LEVEL of service provided when the hogs are turned loose and the "special sauce" is added to the frosting?
"Sorry for the poor cropping in the pictures, too. I meant to include both of you in the 'vows' shot, don't know what happened there."
Passive resistance is the best way to deal with these thugs.
Unfortunately, as said, they keep trying it.
[[SCOTUS who just unconstitutionally ruled to protect “hurt feelings.â€]]
Exactly! I have always argued that the constitution was NOT set up to prote4ct delicate sensibilities- but rather to protect RIGHTS- It is not the role of government to protect someone’s feelings because feelings are subjective- it is however the government’s role to protect inalienable rights
[[Then what? Shall all the dissenting legislators be arrested for contempt of SCOTUS?]]
They will frame it as ‘contempt for the law of the land’
[[Resistance is the only answer,]]
That is another point I’ve long argued that the states SHOULD do (but of course they won’t as they won’t risk retribution by the government)- however- years ago the federal government tried to enact a new law that the states found objectionable, and enough states stood together and declared that not only would they not comply, but they would arrest any federal agent who tried to force them to comply, and the law was eventually rescinded by the government because they got the message that the states WOULD stand up for their right- The law became unenforceable because enough states did the right thing-
Unfortunately I can not recall the law which was defeated- and wish I had kept the link to it- and I only vaguely remember the case now- I wish I had kept it as I’ve looked for it since as it shows what could happen IF enough states took their jobs seriously and decided that prote4ctign the citizens of their states was more important than caving into federal pressure-
[[”Sorry for the poor cropping in the pictures, too. I meant to include both of you in the ‘vows’ shot, don’t know what happened there.”]]
Somehow the film was exposed to the light- The employee responsible for developing the film has been put on notice that if this ever happens again that he will be spoken to about it- perhaps even harshly- we haven’t decided yet
The State's Division of Human Rights ONLY defends the rights of deviants, perverts and low lifes?
Where does equal protection come in? That's a universal Constitutional right, the right to be free to make choices so long as it does not actively compromise everyone else's right to make the same choices. And it is not a right to be used to eliminate someone else's rights.
These is the perverted set of "New York" Culture Cruz was referring to, unless the Fire and Police in New York State consists of only perverts and deviants.
Hurtful? The very sight of freaks is hurtful to normal people.
Memo to self: Never EVER go to New York State again!
Hopefully the airports are "safe" areas... to make a flight connection.
[[”Sorry for the poor cropping in the pictures, too. I meant to include both of you in the ‘vows’ shot, don’t know what happened there.”]]
IF they demand a digital camera be used to avoid the possibility of film being exposed to light
“Sorry, we don’t’ know what happened- it appears that the memory card got corrupted after it fell into the crapper when we took the card out of the camera- We do SINcerely apologize- please accept our gift of Lutefisk as compensation- “
Homosexuals do not reproduce....they recruit.
“I believe because a person should not be discriminated against because of their ethnicity”
By whom?
The government? If so, I concur wholeheartedly.
Private people/businesses? Not in the constitution. I understand it may be in the CRA, but I find it nowhere in the constitution. I just do not understand what business it is of the government’s, if Farmer Billie doesn’t want to host lesbian Sally’s wedding. It obviously makes him uncomfortable, and he has stated it violates his religion - so why should the heavy hand of government pro-actively force him to perform an act he abhors?
We need to shout it from the rooftops: SCOTUS cannot make law. The President cannot make law. Only Congress can make a federal law. Governors cannot make law. Only State Legislatures can make law. When I hear people tell Obama, ‘just do what you want - you’re the President,’ and then he does just that, that’s when I know I really am living in a Banana Republic.
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