Really?
Posted on 01/24/2016 5:02:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Regrouping
JANUARY 22, 2016 ~ CONSISTENTCONSERVATIVES
This is an emergency means for us to keep in touch with our FRiends, who are real Conservatives, in case of purging. Or, if there is no purging, do we really want to continue our discussions in the forum where the owner despises us for not supporting his non-Conservative candidate?
My purpose is to figure out what to do to continue our discussions to advance Conservatism.
VERY most interesting. How bright is this pouting cabal to name names? LOL!!! Barney Fife, when he is mad, could have done as well!
I’ll happily discuss things with you if you’ll be so kind as to lay off the screamy all caps in every sentence. Hurts my head.
I am not for amnesty. I have never been for amnesty.
Every question you asked about Cruz’s “pathway to legalization” “come out of the shadows” comments has been explained multiple times by people far more eloquent and convincing than I am.
Cruz has said, multiple times that he will enforce the law and the law is that those here illegally must be deported.
Cruz has far more credentials supporting his willingness to defend my children than Trump has. That is why I support Cruz— not because I like his hair or dislike Trump’s hair. I based my decision on positions and stated principles.
“If Cruz is the nominee, will you vote for him?”
Who the hell else WOULD there be to vote for? Of course.
YOU got blasted, is what you got. I was stunned they were taken down here and there, but never zotted. It was outrageous the liberty they were allowed against you.
Well it has been suggested by more than one poster that Cruz is ineligible and therefore they can’t vote for him.
Do you remember the one where Barney kicked the can down the street? LOL
I see your complaint. Let us begin by understanding that I am, by and large, a Trump supporter. I’m on your side.
Here’s why I took issue with you.
Your response to one of my (rather gentle, BTW) challenges of one of your comments, was to rebuke me, pull scripture, and imply I was an evil man.
That’s not acceptable behavior.
JimRob has granted you a perma-pass. That means unacceptable behavior might not earn you a banning. That’s cool, I kinda have one myself. But between you and me, pulling scripture (which I revere and love) is not the same as a response to an intellectual challenge.
I am not evil. I am not someone to be rebuked, or told to get behind thee.
I still am miffed that you did those things... especially since we were supposed to be allies.
You’ve asked, and have been answered by SEVERAL Trump supporters, if they would vote for CRuz, as the nominee.
You’ve also been asked, in reverse, if you will vote for Trump, as the nominee.
Will you???
You haven’t answered this, as far as I can tell. Apologies if I’ve missed your answer to this question.
TIA.
=-)
If my only choices were Sanders, Hillary, or Trump? I’d have to hold down my gag reflex and vote for Trump. Then I would make damned sure that conservatives win more seats in Congress so that he can’t enact a liberal agenda.
Also, you’re kind of the unofficial FR mascot. :)
I would like for you to do this one again tomorrow.
She has earned the right, then and now, to support ANY candidate of her choice. Hers is not the mere "birthright" to vote that you, she and I and Cruz and Trump share. Robert Heinlein, an alumnus of the US Naval Academy, was unable to serve on active duty thereafter because his health was failing at an early age. He was a Libertarian as I tend not to be and a major science fiction novelist but Heinlein theorized in Starship Troopers and other novels that ONLY veterans should be allowed to vote OR that they each get two votes. Not sure that I agree but each veteran has earned the RIGHT to vote more than I have.
And note, that BFAC and I are in disagreement in that she deems Trump the better candidate and I prefer Cruz.
Why would I go there? It is quite plausible that there are folks who assume she MUST have voted Democrat BECAUSE she is black. The party one votes for is NOT a racial characteristic. It MAY result from the GOP-E's fussiness about approaching blacks on ISSUES like military, abortion, marriage, guns and such.
I have a friend, Bob Cottrell, whom I have not seen for a while, who is teaching history now at California State University at Chico. He is black. He is a former National Board member of Young People's Socialist League (which was the youth group of a then much more patriotic AFL-CIO under George Meany).
Bob is as strong a proponent of the 2nd Amendment as Charlton Heston ever was. He also believes in one rule of warfare: We win, they lose. Yale educated, Bob has done magnificent work researching the desire of the sponsors of the Fourteenth Amendment that the slaves then recently freed by the Civil War have the same range of rights as those enjoyed by all other Americans including the right to be armed to protect home and family, that gun control is usually enforced (unconstitutionally in many respects and there is NO constitutional basis for ANY gun control) in the inner city because many folks in charge fear blacks with guns more than they fear whites with guns. In his concurring opinion in the case of Heller vs. District of Columbia, Mr. Justice Clarence Thomas quoted Bob Cottrell's work extensively to underline the importance of the 2nd Amendment to blacks under the Fourteenth Amendment. SCOTUS upheld Heller's 2nd Amendment rights. Thanks, Bob.
There are people who call themselves "conservative" who resent even the early civil rights movement. In the late 1980s, the late Presbyterian but conservative pastor, D. James Kennedy commissioned a video in support of Operation Rescue. One person interviewed in the video had been a California black man whom Ronaldus Maximus appointed head of the US Civil Rights Commission. That man said that civil rights were a gift BY black Americans to all Americans. He spoke against a backdrop of file footage of Bull Connor and his dogs and waterhoses that attacked civil right demonstrators and footage of the struggle at the Selma, Alabama Edmund Pettis bridge, replete with tear gas and police nightstick atrocities. The gentleman essentially said that, while blacks bore the physical brunt of resisting the Klan and its servants, the resulting favoritism for civil rights applied with special force to pro-life demonstrators, regardless of race and those engaged in direct action against abortion.
Many conservatives failed to support Operation Rescue or the Pro-Life Action Network because those were too "radical" for their tastes. By now, we should be used to the fact that the USA was forged in a valid and morally justified revolution and that the pro-life movement and particularly its most militant wing are simply a modern extension of the Declaration of Independence, our statement of revolutionary principles. Judicial tyranny every bit as vicious as that of the Brits and a lot more deadly have slaughtered 60+ million innocent unborn babies of every race and ancestry. The GOP-E won't campaign on that to blacks because they are verrrrry uncomfortable doing so.
Just why don't we as conservatives approach the blacks in this country not with nonsense about "my party, right or wrong" but with issues that actually resonate with them? I suspect that it is because many of the children of the elite are amoral Philistines who want to be able to kill their unborn if the existence of their unborn would be embarrassing or inconvenient or because Lance wants to "marry" Bruce. It is estimated that up to 40% of black babies conceived are aborted. Their daddies and mommies lack the guts to stand up to their negligently raised spoiled snowflake kiddies.
My relationship with God and obedience to Him is a LOT more important to me than elections but, maybe, just maybe, if the GOP started adopting that attitude it would do a LOT better with many intensely religious black fellow citizens. That would not be the purpose but it would be a natural fringe benefit of moral behavior.
God bless. I’m with you. I hope you’re right.
And for the record....countless thanks for beginning and continuing this amazing forum.
Hank
Thanks. I appreciate your response.
“Amen”
LOL :-)
I have to say likewise, about CRuz, if it were between SanHillary or Cruz ;-)
Thanks for your reply.
You DO know that business millionaires DO use other peoples money to grow and expand? Nah. That stuff just grows on trees in your town square?
You DO know that this wealthy nation derives its wealth by being an 80% consumer economy?
You DO know that TRUMP knows this even if you do not and that without liabilities no one is building anything or going anywhere?
You’ve found a convenient elbow, to echo social justice theosophy, in a kind sounding way. Good.
My compliments to BFAC, you and JR.
I’m not going anywhere, except maybe to bed. Need all the beauty sleep I can get.
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