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Can Trump Beat Hillary?
Frontpagemagazine ^ | May 5, 2016 | Bruce Thornton

Posted on 05/05/2016 3:22:07 AM PDT by SJackson

Why the presumptive Republican presidential nominee may defy the conventional wisdom once again.

After the departure of Ted Cruz and John Kasich, Donald Trump is now the Republican candidate for president. For many in the party, this will be the “Trumpacolypse,” as a Twitter hashtag has it. His unfavorable ratings are at 65%––70% with women, and up to 80% with blacks and Hispanics. With those numbers, a Clinton victory is assured, according to three-quarters of Republican “political insiders” polled by Politico.

Such hysteria six months out from the general election is premature. Much of it reflects the Republican political class’s distaste for the New York real estate developer, reality television star, and braggadocios conspicuous consumer. Trump has violated every canon of presidential campaigning, and scorned all the received wisdom that pundits and prognosticators reflexively dispense. He says what “you can’t say,” and says it in a brutal manner ––“lyin’ Ted” and “crooked Hillary”––that gives many “political insiders” the vapors. In their darker moods, they brood over the possibility of fascism coming to America, or a return of Joseph McCarthy. His biggest offense, though, is that he wins without their help.

They may be right about Trump losing the general. But such a prediction at this point is a guess. Polls record the transient impressions of the people who are polled. Then there’s the “shy Tory” phenomenon, the reticence of people to state their true preference even to an anonymous pollster, leading to a mismatch between the poll numbers and the actual votes. In the last six primaries before Indiana, Trump’s percentage of the vote averaged eight-and-a-half points higher than the polls, according to the New York Times. Of course, if Trump’s favorability numbers are still as dismal on in Octoberr, his defeat will be more certain.

But Trump has consistently disproved conventional wisdom. The old electoral truisms may not apply. Take the clichés about Hispanics. For nearly a decade we’ve been told that the Republicans needed to cultivate this “fastest growing demographic group,” as Obama warned everyone in 2012. The party wise men counseled Republicans to drop the harsh rhetoric about illegal aliens and reach out to the 9% of voters who are Hispanic and allegedly “natural conservatives.” Heeding this advice, Senate Republicans toyed for a while with “comprehensive immigration reform,” which many voters decoded as “amnesty” for lawbreakers stealing their jobs. Yet in most polls, “immigration reform” is consistently low on the list of issues that concern Hispanics.

That didn’t stop some in the party from angering much of the white working class, 36% of the electorate, just to pursue this electoral will-o-the-wisp. About a third of those voters voted Democrat in 2012, but evidence suggests that many are shifting to Trump this year. So Trump speaks to their concerns about ICE’s “catch-and-release” of felons, the hundreds of Americans murdered by illegal aliens, the quality-of-life crimes making many neighborhoods and cities unlivable. Trump promises to put a stop to “sanctuary cities” that blatantly disregard federal law and get away with it. He gets their anger at seeing protestors, like those in Irvine last week, attempting to stop their right to assemble and waving Mexican flags, or the demonstrators in Indiana Monday arming their children with F-bombs to hurl at Trump supporters.

And he especially understands how sick many Republicans and Democrats are of the snotty rhetoric from some leaders and pundits of both parties. From their tony enclaves far from the daily disorder and mayhem caused by our immigration failures, they suggest that such complaints reflect bigotry and xenophobia. So Trump promises to round up the illegals, build a wall on the border, and make Mexico pay for it. And I’ll wager that the pollster’s net doesn’t catch significant numbers of voters who sit at home and shout their approval at the television screen and will pull the lever for Trump come Election Day.

. In fact, despite his hard words for illegal aliens, there is growing evidence, much of it anecdotal at this point, that significant numbers of Hispanics and blacks like Trump and may vote for him. Here in the San Joaquin Valley, ground zero for Mexican immigration, one more and more frequently runs into working-class Mexicans who admire Trump for his macho bluster and willingness to slap down politically correct gringos with their superior airs and class snobberies. It’s not just white conservatives who have grown sick and tired of the credentialed class telling them how to live and then demonizing them for disagreeing. No one knows how many Hispanics will vote for Trump, but I’ll wager it will be more than voted for Romney.

But Trump is ignorant and incoherent when it comes to policy, the critics say. Contrary to the commentators cocooned in their social and cultural enclaves, elections are not about policy. The majority of voters don’t carefully study the issues, pore over policy papers, and objectively weigh various proposals in order to arrive at the best choice. They are motivated by their “passions and interests,” as Madison understood. “Interests” are about “property,” or in our time, jobs and the economy. Years of sluggish growth, lower workforce participation, and the investor class waxing fat the whole time have angered a lot of people, including Bernie Sanders’ supporters. Trump’s tirades against free-trade-agreements and China’s currency manipulation speak to these frustrations.

The “passions” we see seething through a Trump rally are the anger at elites of both parties who for years now have talked down to the people, dismissed their legitimate concerns, and sneered at their ignorance, even as they pander to privileged minorities or appease the Democrats. They see criticism of Trump, whether intended or not, as criticism of themselves, yet another patronizing dismissal of their grievances. The backlash against political correctness that Trump has brilliantly exploited is the obvious focus of this anger at politicians who are supposed to be on their side, but who always find excuses to cede the high ground to the other side. Why else would the Senate confirm Loretta Lynch as Attorney General, especially after she told the Judiciary Committee that she viewed Obama’s unconstitutional amnesties as “legal”? Was it because she was eminently qualified, or because she is a black woman?

Some will dispute these assertions as misleading or false, but whether they are true or not is irrelevant. Politics is about perception. How else did a cipher like Barack Obama get elected twice? In 2008 he was perceived to be a racial healer, the smartest president ever, a “no red state, no blue state” unifier, and a brilliant orator. None of these perceptions turned out to be remotely true. The second time it was partly because 81% of voters perceived him to “care about people like me,” while only 18% felt the same about Mitt Romney, one of the most fundamentally decent and kind men ever to run for president. Trump seems to get that perceptions and passions come first, and policy can be figured out later. To a greater or lesser degree, this has pretty much been true in all presidential elections. Trump has simply discarded the decorum that camouflages the truth about political sausage-making.

But can he defeat Hillary? Sure he can. A lot depends on events. A terrorist attack in mid-summer, bad economic news, telegenic violence a the conventions, the FBI report on the investigation into Hillary’s private server, the Attorney General refusing to follow the FBI’s recommendation to indict, or something else we can’t foresee could determine the election. Remember, in 2008 at the beginning of September John McCain was leading Obama in most polls, despite battling the headwinds from a media functioning as Obama’s press agent. And then Lehman Brothers collapsed.

Equally important for November is Clinton’s astonishing incompetence as a candidate. Fifty-five percent of voters view her unfavorably. Her Occupy-Wall-Street pandering to the left has been blatant, and will be hard to walk back in the general. It’s doubtful that she’ll get the turnout from minorities and millenials Obama got. At a time of a populist passion for change and new faces, she’s a tired, old, white professional pol, a habitué of the salons of the rich and powerful. Her campaign has nowhere near the enthusiasm of Bernie Sanders’, while Trump packs thousands into his rallies. The dopey protestors trying to disrupt Trump’s events remind everybody that Hillary’s party created and indulge these two-bit Robespierres. Each wave of the Mexican flag is a big campaign poster for Trump. The “woman card” so far appears a loser when played by a woman who viciously attacked her husband’s sexual victims, and is worth $31 million. Nor has that shriveled satyr Bill Clinton been able to help her out, and he remains a gold-mine of sordid scandal for the Trump campaign. Finally, Trump shows no indication that he will not rhetorically beat Hillary like a rented mule with every scandal and failure of her 25 undistinguished years in the public spotlight.

So yes, Trump can win in November. What he will do as president is another matter.


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1 posted on 05/05/2016 3:22:07 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Wow Bruce Thornton, that was a great uplift !
Thanks.


2 posted on 05/05/2016 3:40:39 AM PDT by ri4dc (We only can succeed if we win. I am sensing a landslide in the making. MAGA)
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To: SJackson

Absolutely, or Bernie as well.


3 posted on 05/05/2016 3:41:09 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: SJackson

No. Trump won’t get nominated. He won’t get nominated. Bush will beat him in the primary. :)

After this past primary only the world’s biggest idiot would thinks Trump WON’T. beat Hillary. Only the world’s biggest idiot or a Bush family member - but I repeat myself.


4 posted on 05/05/2016 3:42:11 AM PDT by ZULU (DON'T GO OFF THE RESERVATION.)
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To: SJackson
There's another factor emerging. The system is rigged for both nominations. The elite seem not to even consider it as a rigged system. It's the way things are.

If Trump makes a big deal of hillary being the flower child of the rigged system, as proved by the elitists of BOTH political parties supporting her, how is that going to play out? My hypothesis is that voters will get it that the way to end the system is to defeat hillary and her henchpersons.

5 posted on 05/05/2016 3:44:31 AM PDT by grania
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To: SJackson

Can Trump beat Hillary? Yes. Can Hillary beat Trump? Yes.


6 posted on 05/05/2016 3:46:12 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: ZULU

Nope, Trump all the way.


7 posted on 05/05/2016 3:49:19 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: ZULU

Nope, Trump all the way.


8 posted on 05/05/2016 3:49:22 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: SJackson

Trump will win. Again. And for the same reason.

The anger.

Not just Republican anger, either.

The Bernie phenomenon is not so much an embrace of Bernie and his socialism as it is a rejection of the Obama years. The “takers”, Mitt’s 47%, are NOT HAPPY. And no matter who she chooses as her running mate (even Bernie) it’s the Hillary/Obama ticket.

Both Trump and Bernie have out-performed the polling. Polls will continue to be worthless because well, the anger. No turnout model exists to describe what’s going to happen. White guilt not a factor anymore. For these reasons, every state is in play, if Hillary/Obama gets the nod.

Our country is like that store in Ferguson, MO. This November the store will be stormed, looted and burned to the ground. Unlike Ferguson, a General Contractor has been chosen to perform the restoration, to preside over the rebuild.


9 posted on 05/05/2016 3:51:34 AM PDT by wayoverontheright (A falling camel attracts many knives.......)
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To: Biggirl

Of course. I was being sarcastic. Trump is the next American President. I just hope all those Hollyweird freaks leave America for good, as they promised.


10 posted on 05/05/2016 3:52:49 AM PDT by ZULU (DON'T GO OFF THE RESERVATION.)
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To: SJackson
The answer is "yes," but that hasn't been driven home to the public with press reports showing Hillary taking a beating in November.

Shortly after the answer to that question is clearly "Yes" (for whatever reason) the DEM party will drop Hillary and put in a substitute.

11 posted on 05/05/2016 4:04:27 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ri4dc

“Trump shows no indication that he will not rhetorically beat Hillary like a rented mule ..”


This is the one thing that will secure his election.

For whatever reason, the most recent Republican candidates refused to go after their opponent (and when Sarah Palin did go on the attack, it was the Republican party that shut her down). Personally I don’t think the GOPe wants the office, they prefer Congress, easier to line their pockets without much oversight).

Hopefully exposing Hillary will help bring an end to POLITICAL CORRECTNESS which is destroying our freedoms.

He, by his action, will show you can stand up to the bullies on the left, and you do not need to grovel for forgiveness if you commit a sin only the left were aware of (or in most cases instantly created just to attack their opponent).


12 posted on 05/05/2016 4:06:03 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (The government is the problem, not the solution.)
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To: SJackson

I can’t wait to watch Trump turn the “debates” into the interrogations Gowdy and Comey failed to do. I can’t wait to cheer like a lynch mob with my friends and family as we watch him peel her like a grape. I can’t wait to scream with joy like the Romans watching the Christians being fed to the lions. Can Trump beat her? Like a rented mule, like a rented mule.


13 posted on 05/05/2016 4:06:47 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: SJackson

Like a rented step-child.
Like a red-headed mule.


14 posted on 05/05/2016 4:09:14 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Democrats are mean-spirited racists who don't care about our children.)
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To: SJackson

Like an old carpet. Next question...


15 posted on 05/05/2016 4:10:04 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Like an old pickup truck......


16 posted on 05/05/2016 4:14:47 AM PDT by exit82 (Road Runner sez:" Let's Make America Beeping Great Again! Beep! Beep!")
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To: SJackson

The question is slanted from the start: IF Hillary is the Democrat candidate (after 2008, she knows what can happen to presumptive candidates), can she beat Trump?

I don’t know how this shakes out in November, but I am not assuming Trump is the underdog. Hillary has a LOT of baggage and is very unpopular with many people (many of whom are Democrats who tossed her under the bus in 2008).


17 posted on 05/05/2016 4:24:51 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: ZULU

Congrats to all the Freepers who had the perception to put money on Trump in August.


18 posted on 05/05/2016 4:25:20 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: ClearCase_guy

Like a baby seal.


19 posted on 05/05/2016 4:36:25 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SJackson

What we must do is put aside the anger and bitterness and get behind the nominee
Does anyone REALLY think Donald will let let himself be beaten by the likes of criminal Hillary after coming this far?

Donald is brilliant, FEARLESS and tireless, and he knows ALL the dirt on the criminal Hillary. Not being PC crippled and spineless as the rest of the politicians, he will hit her with ALL of her criminal activities- from Benghazi on!

When he starts on her, he will SLAUGHTER her.

And those of you who are so angry that Cruz will not be the nominee that you will not vote; with all due respect, PLEASE rethink that. Lets put our anger aside and UNITE. We MUST, repeat MUST get a Republican back in the executive position again! We MUST!

THE FIRST THING THE CRIMINAL HILLARY WILL DO IS TAKE OUR GUNS. SHE WILL CONTINUE WITH OBAMA’S POLICIES TO DESTROY OUR VALUES, OUR WAY OF LIFE, OUR AMERICA.

ANYONE WHO STAYS HOME AND DOES NOT VOTE IS CASTING A VOTE FOR THE CRIMINAL HILLARY.

THERE WILL BE THE USUAL RAT VOTER FRAUD AND CHEATING.

WE MUST ALL GET OUT AND VOTE. LETS MAKE THIS THE BIGGEST REPUBLICAN VOTE TURNOUT IN HISTORY!!! WE CAN and WILL DEFEAT HILLARY.


20 posted on 05/05/2016 4:55:45 AM PDT by patriot08 (5th generation Texan ...(girl type) ANGRY? REFUSE TO VOTE?= HELLO HILLARY!)
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