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Can Trump Beat Hillary?
Frontpagemagazine ^ | May 5, 2016 | Bruce Thornton

Posted on 05/05/2016 3:22:07 AM PDT by SJackson

Why the presumptive Republican presidential nominee may defy the conventional wisdom once again.

After the departure of Ted Cruz and John Kasich, Donald Trump is now the Republican candidate for president. For many in the party, this will be the “Trumpacolypse,” as a Twitter hashtag has it. His unfavorable ratings are at 65%––70% with women, and up to 80% with blacks and Hispanics. With those numbers, a Clinton victory is assured, according to three-quarters of Republican “political insiders” polled by Politico.

Such hysteria six months out from the general election is premature. Much of it reflects the Republican political class’s distaste for the New York real estate developer, reality television star, and braggadocios conspicuous consumer. Trump has violated every canon of presidential campaigning, and scorned all the received wisdom that pundits and prognosticators reflexively dispense. He says what “you can’t say,” and says it in a brutal manner ––“lyin’ Ted” and “crooked Hillary”––that gives many “political insiders” the vapors. In their darker moods, they brood over the possibility of fascism coming to America, or a return of Joseph McCarthy. His biggest offense, though, is that he wins without their help.

They may be right about Trump losing the general. But such a prediction at this point is a guess. Polls record the transient impressions of the people who are polled. Then there’s the “shy Tory” phenomenon, the reticence of people to state their true preference even to an anonymous pollster, leading to a mismatch between the poll numbers and the actual votes. In the last six primaries before Indiana, Trump’s percentage of the vote averaged eight-and-a-half points higher than the polls, according to the New York Times. Of course, if Trump’s favorability numbers are still as dismal on in Octoberr, his defeat will be more certain.

But Trump has consistently disproved conventional wisdom. The old electoral truisms may not apply. Take the clichés about Hispanics. For nearly a decade we’ve been told that the Republicans needed to cultivate this “fastest growing demographic group,” as Obama warned everyone in 2012. The party wise men counseled Republicans to drop the harsh rhetoric about illegal aliens and reach out to the 9% of voters who are Hispanic and allegedly “natural conservatives.” Heeding this advice, Senate Republicans toyed for a while with “comprehensive immigration reform,” which many voters decoded as “amnesty” for lawbreakers stealing their jobs. Yet in most polls, “immigration reform” is consistently low on the list of issues that concern Hispanics.

That didn’t stop some in the party from angering much of the white working class, 36% of the electorate, just to pursue this electoral will-o-the-wisp. About a third of those voters voted Democrat in 2012, but evidence suggests that many are shifting to Trump this year. So Trump speaks to their concerns about ICE’s “catch-and-release” of felons, the hundreds of Americans murdered by illegal aliens, the quality-of-life crimes making many neighborhoods and cities unlivable. Trump promises to put a stop to “sanctuary cities” that blatantly disregard federal law and get away with it. He gets their anger at seeing protestors, like those in Irvine last week, attempting to stop their right to assemble and waving Mexican flags, or the demonstrators in Indiana Monday arming their children with F-bombs to hurl at Trump supporters.

And he especially understands how sick many Republicans and Democrats are of the snotty rhetoric from some leaders and pundits of both parties. From their tony enclaves far from the daily disorder and mayhem caused by our immigration failures, they suggest that such complaints reflect bigotry and xenophobia. So Trump promises to round up the illegals, build a wall on the border, and make Mexico pay for it. And I’ll wager that the pollster’s net doesn’t catch significant numbers of voters who sit at home and shout their approval at the television screen and will pull the lever for Trump come Election Day.

. In fact, despite his hard words for illegal aliens, there is growing evidence, much of it anecdotal at this point, that significant numbers of Hispanics and blacks like Trump and may vote for him. Here in the San Joaquin Valley, ground zero for Mexican immigration, one more and more frequently runs into working-class Mexicans who admire Trump for his macho bluster and willingness to slap down politically correct gringos with their superior airs and class snobberies. It’s not just white conservatives who have grown sick and tired of the credentialed class telling them how to live and then demonizing them for disagreeing. No one knows how many Hispanics will vote for Trump, but I’ll wager it will be more than voted for Romney.

But Trump is ignorant and incoherent when it comes to policy, the critics say. Contrary to the commentators cocooned in their social and cultural enclaves, elections are not about policy. The majority of voters don’t carefully study the issues, pore over policy papers, and objectively weigh various proposals in order to arrive at the best choice. They are motivated by their “passions and interests,” as Madison understood. “Interests” are about “property,” or in our time, jobs and the economy. Years of sluggish growth, lower workforce participation, and the investor class waxing fat the whole time have angered a lot of people, including Bernie Sanders’ supporters. Trump’s tirades against free-trade-agreements and China’s currency manipulation speak to these frustrations.

The “passions” we see seething through a Trump rally are the anger at elites of both parties who for years now have talked down to the people, dismissed their legitimate concerns, and sneered at their ignorance, even as they pander to privileged minorities or appease the Democrats. They see criticism of Trump, whether intended or not, as criticism of themselves, yet another patronizing dismissal of their grievances. The backlash against political correctness that Trump has brilliantly exploited is the obvious focus of this anger at politicians who are supposed to be on their side, but who always find excuses to cede the high ground to the other side. Why else would the Senate confirm Loretta Lynch as Attorney General, especially after she told the Judiciary Committee that she viewed Obama’s unconstitutional amnesties as “legal”? Was it because she was eminently qualified, or because she is a black woman?

Some will dispute these assertions as misleading or false, but whether they are true or not is irrelevant. Politics is about perception. How else did a cipher like Barack Obama get elected twice? In 2008 he was perceived to be a racial healer, the smartest president ever, a “no red state, no blue state” unifier, and a brilliant orator. None of these perceptions turned out to be remotely true. The second time it was partly because 81% of voters perceived him to “care about people like me,” while only 18% felt the same about Mitt Romney, one of the most fundamentally decent and kind men ever to run for president. Trump seems to get that perceptions and passions come first, and policy can be figured out later. To a greater or lesser degree, this has pretty much been true in all presidential elections. Trump has simply discarded the decorum that camouflages the truth about political sausage-making.

But can he defeat Hillary? Sure he can. A lot depends on events. A terrorist attack in mid-summer, bad economic news, telegenic violence a the conventions, the FBI report on the investigation into Hillary’s private server, the Attorney General refusing to follow the FBI’s recommendation to indict, or something else we can’t foresee could determine the election. Remember, in 2008 at the beginning of September John McCain was leading Obama in most polls, despite battling the headwinds from a media functioning as Obama’s press agent. And then Lehman Brothers collapsed.

Equally important for November is Clinton’s astonishing incompetence as a candidate. Fifty-five percent of voters view her unfavorably. Her Occupy-Wall-Street pandering to the left has been blatant, and will be hard to walk back in the general. It’s doubtful that she’ll get the turnout from minorities and millenials Obama got. At a time of a populist passion for change and new faces, she’s a tired, old, white professional pol, a habitué of the salons of the rich and powerful. Her campaign has nowhere near the enthusiasm of Bernie Sanders’, while Trump packs thousands into his rallies. The dopey protestors trying to disrupt Trump’s events remind everybody that Hillary’s party created and indulge these two-bit Robespierres. Each wave of the Mexican flag is a big campaign poster for Trump. The “woman card” so far appears a loser when played by a woman who viciously attacked her husband’s sexual victims, and is worth $31 million. Nor has that shriveled satyr Bill Clinton been able to help her out, and he remains a gold-mine of sordid scandal for the Trump campaign. Finally, Trump shows no indication that he will not rhetorically beat Hillary like a rented mule with every scandal and failure of her 25 undistinguished years in the public spotlight.

So yes, Trump can win in November. What he will do as president is another matter.


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To: patriot08; Liz; Albion Wilde; HarleyLady27; vette6387; flat; unkus; Doogle; Foolsgold; exit82; ...

Voter fraud must be addressed before November, IMO.


21 posted on 05/05/2016 5:13:21 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: SJackson

Can Trump beat Hillary.

Oh yes!


22 posted on 05/05/2016 5:16:19 AM PDT by Strac6 (The primaries are only the semi-finals. ALL THAT MATTERS IS DEFEATING HILLARY IN NOVEMBER.)
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To: SJackson

Hillary Clinton is not loved by minorities, and Donald Trump is not despised. Trump is really a bit of a ‘bad boy’ that a lot of middle class liberals tend to gravitate to.

My prediction: Clinton is not inspiring to minorities, and Trump is a bit of neutral for most of them.

They might not come out to support Trump, but they won’t feel an overpowering need to come out to support Clinton. She won’t pull Obama’s numbers.

Her vote totals will be lessened by virtue of this dynamic.

Trump will still have to pull great numbers of voters, but the minority/Clinton dynamic will help him.


23 posted on 05/05/2016 5:22:06 AM PDT by xzins ( Free Republic Gives YOU a voice heard around the globe. Support the Freepathon!)
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To: SJackson

Like a screen door in a hurricane.


24 posted on 05/05/2016 5:29:13 AM PDT by teletech
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To: SJackson
Can Trump Beat Hillary?

Of COURSE not!

I heard it on TV and read it in the papers!

25 posted on 05/05/2016 5:59:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SJackson

With his brain tied behind his back.

Trump is a strategic person. He thinks on levels that Hillary can’t even comprehend.

Problem is, is Trumps’s motive pure? I hope and pray it is.

There is no question about Hillary’s motive!!!


26 posted on 05/05/2016 6:14:03 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: SJackson

Yesterday, a woman at work expressed her fear that Trump would start WWIII.

I haven’t seen this type of hysteria since Reagan beat Carter.

Of course he can beat her.


27 posted on 05/05/2016 6:48:49 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: CIB-173RDABN

I think he will hit her tonight hard on the Benghazi her illegal server, Foundation. Enough that when the media question her, it will be impossible for her to hide. Then Bernie hits her.

She’s a terrible campaigner. Every single speech is in the can nothing, extemporaneous.


28 posted on 05/05/2016 9:59:12 AM PDT by nikos1121 (A Trump presidency is like The Golden Age of Pericles in Greece)
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To: DoodleDawg

“Crooked Hillary.”

Cracks me up, that the guy thinks this stuff up himself.

Lyin’ Ted, Low Energy Jeb, Face food stuffin’ Kasich, Sweatin’ Marco...etc.


29 posted on 05/05/2016 10:01:22 AM PDT by nikos1121 (A Trump presidency is like The Golden Age of Pericles in Greece)
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To: lacrew
Yesterday, a woman at work expressed her fear that Trump would start WWIII. ,/I>

Could happen, though the genesis of a cataclysmic conflict, likely in the Mideast, is owned by Obama. His successor's job will be undoing the likelihood of a major war triggered by an aggressive, nuclear Iran. Putin might expand his domain a bit, but that's not likely to lead to the conflict this woman fears, though also Obama's fault. Hillary isn't the one to clean up the Obama/Hillary/Kerry mess. To satisfy voters of both political persuasions, neither Reagan nor JFK, for the progressives TR, will be on the ballot. And for the progressives, imagine how the original progressive, Teddy Roosevelt, would handle our foreign threats. And illegal immigration. Harsher than Trump. Probably harsher than any President since Teddy.

30 posted on 05/05/2016 5:37:34 PM PDT by SJackson (Oh my God, she's so beautiful and she's so little!, Huma first impression of Hillary)
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To: nikos1121
She’s a terrible campaigner. Every single speech is in the can nothing, extemporaneous.

She is, more importantly, I think she's a terrible person. That transcends political orientation.

31 posted on 05/05/2016 5:38:54 PM PDT by SJackson (Oh my God, she's so beautiful and she's so little!, Huma first impression of Hillary)
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To: tired&retired
Problem is, is Trumps’s motive pure? I hope and pray it is.

I don't think so. I do think he's sensible enough to understand who brought him to the dance. And who he has to dance with for a second term.

32 posted on 05/05/2016 5:40:16 PM PDT by SJackson (Oh my God, she's so beautiful and she's so little!, Huma first impression of Hillary)
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To: xzins

Clinton is the candidate he needs to run against. Even minorities can be won over by force of personality, which he has. And he’ll be willing to attack her weakness’. Not my first choice, but if he acquires quality political advisors, he needs a ground game in every state, I think he can win.


33 posted on 05/05/2016 5:44:05 PM PDT by SJackson (Oh my God, she's so beautiful and she's so little!, Huma first impression of Hillary)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Voter fraud must be addressed before November, IMO.

I need to win the Powerball by November.

34 posted on 05/05/2016 5:44:53 PM PDT by SJackson (Oh my God, she's so beautiful and she's so little!, Huma first impression of Hillary)
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To: patriot08
What we must do is put aside the anger and bitterness and get behind the nominee

I agree, though those who stay home are only casting half votes for Hillary. Though they're Hillary supporters none the less.

35 posted on 05/05/2016 5:46:19 PM PDT by SJackson (Oh my God, she's so beautiful and she's so little!, Huma first impression of Hillary)
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To: grania
There's another factor emerging. The system is rigged for both nominations

For Hillary. For the last 8 years. You're not suggesting it was rigged for Trump are you?

36 posted on 05/05/2016 5:48:56 PM PDT by SJackson (Oh my God, she's so beautiful and she's so little!, Huma first impression of Hillary)
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To: SJackson

The system was rigged for Jeb, probably with a scheme for those who supported him to win states which Jeb could not. Trump was miraculously able to outsmart their scheme, by hitting early and hitting hard.


37 posted on 05/05/2016 5:55:37 PM PDT by grania
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To: grania

To the extent they tried, Trump wasn’t the only candidate to crush Jeb. Not taking anything away from Trump, just noting the riggers were incompetent. Voters brought that out.


38 posted on 05/05/2016 6:00:08 PM PDT by SJackson (Oh my God, she's so beautiful and she's so little!, Huma first impression of Hillary)
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To: SJackson

I disagree. With Jeb’s financial backing, no one else would’ve gained traction before it was a done deal. It was Trump’s self-funding and ability to get publicity that prevented Jeb’s campaign from gaining traction.


39 posted on 05/05/2016 6:05:18 PM PDT by grania
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To: grania
Not saying the attempt wasn't made to some extent, but Jeb was a failure. Jeb was never a contender, despite his money. Not going to bother checking old polls, but I don't think he was ever in the top 5. A broad field like the GOP has should have been tailor made for a candidate with name recognition and money. Jeb was incompetent, to whatever extent there was a plot, the plotters were incompetent.

We might disagree on rigged, to me "mainstream" Republicans attempting to elect a "mainstream" Republican candidate isn't rigged, just politics as usual. And they lost. Rigged to me is when the dead people in Chicago vote in three different precincts.

40 posted on 05/05/2016 6:14:11 PM PDT by SJackson (Oh my God, she's so beautiful and she's so little!, Huma first impression of Hillary)
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