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The margin of "erring" in polling is bigger than you think
New York Slimes ^ | October 5, 2016 | The Upshot

Posted on 10/05/2016 2:50:06 PM PDT by KevXcollins

When You Hear the Margin of Error Is Plus or Minus 3 Percent, Think 7 Instead ...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016polls; moe; polls
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1 posted on 10/05/2016 2:50:06 PM PDT by KevXcollins
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To: KevXcollins

The New York Times core readers are a very sensitive bunch. Remember Carter was ahead of Reagan by 5 points just prior to the election and oh no Carter lost. They are trying to prepare their readers that despite a lead for Clinton prior to the election , the pollsters, oh no, just might be wrong. Or in the parlance of the Left “Mistakes were made...”


2 posted on 10/05/2016 2:56:27 PM PDT by allendale
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To: KevXcollins

sounds like they know they don’t have a clue on polling and trying to cover themselves.. Been 25 years since stat class, but that high error rate they don’t have high confidence level.


3 posted on 10/05/2016 2:56:53 PM PDT by scbison
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To: allendale

What’s the quickest degree i can get in psychoanalysis and not get arrested :)

just something to hang on my door and make a fortune off of my fellow NYers who happen to be liberal.


4 posted on 10/05/2016 3:04:34 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: scbison

As a polysci major I learned that the more is +/- for each of two choices.


5 posted on 10/05/2016 3:06:35 PM PDT by Thickman (Obama - Professor of the United States)
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To: KevXcollins
How many polls come out each week? They are all different. That means that at at most only one can be right. That means that most polls are routinely wrong. Just keep that in mind.
6 posted on 10/05/2016 3:11:49 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: KevXcollins

This is the NYTs setting up for the inevitable collapse in the polls for Hillary. The polling organizations won’t carry her all the way to the election because they have reputations to protect. When they start shifting to better polling samples, the media will suddenly be filled with stories about the unreliability of polls.


7 posted on 10/05/2016 3:12:58 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: scbison

I used to work on campaigns back in the day.

If the pollster said they had a margin of error of seven points they were fired—immediately.

More smoke and mirrors from the New York slimes.


8 posted on 10/05/2016 3:13:10 PM PDT by cgbg (Warning: This post has not been fact-checked by the Democratic National Committee.)
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To: dp0622

That there’s funny.


9 posted on 10/05/2016 3:15:30 PM PDT by stillfree? (My My My)
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To: fhayek

The poll that was closest in 2014 was unfortunately..NBC/WAPOST...they nailed it.


10 posted on 10/05/2016 3:15:51 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: stillfree?

I’m searching now! :)

looking up the term “is” :)


11 posted on 10/05/2016 3:16:29 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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Imagine all the worrying about TRUMP going after the Judge,The Beauty Queen, the Debate lost but it’s all for nothing cause TRUMP wins in a LANDSLIDE! LOL


12 posted on 10/05/2016 3:16:42 PM PDT by KavMan
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To: KevXcollins

So Hillary is still winning, lol


13 posted on 10/05/2016 3:17:13 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Rokke
This is the NYTs setting up for the inevitable collapse in the polls for Hillary.

Exactly. Trump is about to break out of the margin of error. This is the NYT 'splaining how that really isn't anything and despite Trump's apparent lead, they are really still ties.

14 posted on 10/05/2016 3:19:25 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck ( Socialism consumes EVERYTHING!)
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To: KevXcollins

Over sampling of one side and counting things like a “non-response” do not constitute reliable data...


15 posted on 10/05/2016 3:20:54 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: RoseofTexas

Yeah, but I will bet you a bottle of Wild Turkey 101 that they will not nail it this year. It is random chance. They got lucky.


16 posted on 10/05/2016 3:21:57 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Rokke

Reputation really?! All rags and pollsters reputations went out the window with this election quite sometime ago!! If the mediapukes and pollsters care about their integrity and reputations they would’ve guarded it a tad better instead of lying through their teeth 24/7 for the most corrupt criminal in America! AMERICANS HATE THE MEDIASCUM MORE than ever!!!


17 posted on 10/05/2016 3:24:47 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: KevXcollins
Got a call from Gallup this evening.

I politely declined and hung up.

18 posted on 10/05/2016 3:26:24 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: fhayek
Im ashamed to say I have never tasted wild turkey 101...but I'll be more then glad to buy a bottle of that stuff just to celebrate them being wrong! Hiccup hiccup!😑🍾
19 posted on 10/05/2016 3:28:15 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: fhayek
...They got lucky.

That wasn't luck. They just accurately polled the dead.

20 posted on 10/05/2016 3:30:49 PM PDT by chopperman
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