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Republicans Are Courting Disaster on Health Care
New York Times ^ | January 4, 2017 | NYT Editorial Board

Posted on 01/06/2017 7:03:12 AM PST by Jim Noble

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To: knarf
Just about every doctor I know and know OF are more than happy to provide care to the truly needy

Doctor bills and payments to doctors are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Hospitals exist because a river of cash from the Federal government flows through the doors and windows every day. Most hospitals don't have 60 days cash on hand. Many don't have 15.

The scares about what happens after repeal are mostly about hospital/"health system" cash flow.

41 posted on 01/06/2017 7:59:21 AM PST by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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To: Jim Noble

That cash flow issue explains why hospitals were putting the heat on GOP Governors to accept Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion. They opted to trade payments in the short term for the long term health of the system.


42 posted on 01/06/2017 8:01:23 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Jim Noble

Courting disaster? That’s like saying that a tsunami cleanup crew is courting disaster. Of course, someone could trip, and fall in the slime, but it must be done.


43 posted on 01/06/2017 8:04:48 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I got my start in Kings County Hospital in Brooklyn. KCH was a line item in the NYC budget. In 1974, when I started there, Medicaid had existed for nine years but KCH had never sent a bill. There was no billing department, and no mechanism to collect from patients.

It was, for its time, a wonderful thing. But it also was part of a "two-tier" system, which the People, acting through their representatives and their lawyers, have decisively rejected.

I believe county hospitals/charity hospitals are the only alternative to nationalization. The reason the GOP and Conservatism Inc. don't have a solution to infinite demand, highest quality, and low cost is because there isn't one.

However, sending charity patients back to charity hospitals would require a revolution in consciousness of which there is no sign whatsoever.

I predict Trump (we are going to take care of everybody) will nationalize within a few years.

44 posted on 01/06/2017 8:07:03 AM PST by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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To: Jim Noble

It is heart warming to see the NYT so concerned about the health of the GOP.


45 posted on 01/06/2017 8:07:52 AM PST by oldplayer
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To: CMailBag

Only those that don’t work loved Obamacare.
Great plans at no cost with no deductibles.
Probably all of the same folks on EBT, OBAMAPHONES, WELFARE are the ones challenging Republicans to replace it with the same things.

Problem was the workers of America got financially destroyed paying for it by paying greatly inflated premiums. Also the ones paying were the ONLY ones stuck with paying $6000 deductibles.

Welfare queens should get bandaids and pills. Broken bone care.
Pretty much no care for treatments unless they go to work and buy a plan.

Like communism, you kill it all having 30% supporting the other 70% and 30 million illegals and anchor babies.


46 posted on 01/06/2017 8:09:53 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Liz
Millions of Americans are at risk of losing their coverage.
The braindead NYT does not understand insurance.

Nor do any of the of the outraged parsites, nor the MSM...

Obama care has never been, nor can ever be insurance!

Look up the definition of "insurance," geniuses...

47 posted on 01/06/2017 8:10:29 AM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: Jim Noble

I had a great uncle who was briefly the Chaplain at Kings County Hospital.


48 posted on 01/06/2017 8:11:09 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Jim Noble

Whenever the Ny Slimes is against any Republican or what they might do, that makes it easy for me to support whomever or whatever the Slimes tries to trash.


49 posted on 01/06/2017 8:14:14 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Obama shut your lying mouth and leave America! You are past your use by date! You stink!)
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To: A CA Guy
Welfare queens should get bandaids and pills. Broken bone care

OK, let's work on this. Broken hip: Nail put in by a resident, permanent limp, or total hip put in by a Board-certified Orthopedic surgeon, perfect restoration of function? $1500 or $60 000.

"Hello? Mr. CA Guy? Queenie's lawyer is on the phone..."

50 posted on 01/06/2017 8:15:30 AM PST by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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To: goldstategop

MSM will never mention Democrats actually raided Medicare trust funds to pay for Obamacare.

Or how it was passed without a single Republican vote.

Amen!


51 posted on 01/06/2017 8:15:41 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Obama shut your lying mouth and leave America! You are past your use by date! You stink!)
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that makes it easy for me to support whomever or whatever the Slimes tries to trash

A blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while....

52 posted on 01/06/2017 8:16:41 AM PST by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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To: Jim Noble

We already have a Disaster, it’s called Obamacare.
Hard to do much worse.


53 posted on 01/06/2017 8:17:40 AM PST by IVAXMAN
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To: CMailBag

“How about doing it the old fashioned way...THE FREE MARKET.”

Yep. The healthcare industry suffers from chronic government interference.


54 posted on 01/06/2017 8:18:28 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: goldstategop
MSM will never mention Democrats actually raided Medicare trust funds to pay for Obamacare.

... over a trillion$, creating also a crisis for Social Security, and shortening its financial health by at least 15 years.
Another fake brick in Obamas's potempkin legacy wall...

55 posted on 01/06/2017 8:18:50 AM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: Alberta's Child
In a true free market, there would no government involvement ... and no insurance companies, either.

Total and pure ignorance BS!
Insurance was created by the "free market" of its time.

56 posted on 01/06/2017 8:22:13 AM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Deductibles are way up, co-pays are up

Companies have to keep premiums below 9.5% of a workers pay or they can get dinged with big penalties. The only place to tweak costs is with deductibles and co-pays.

57 posted on 01/06/2017 8:23:40 AM PST by EVO X
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The expansion of Medicaid rolls in states where Governors like John Kasich were stupid enough to go along with it, is permanent.

Not if D.C. cuts off the funding that paid for the Medicaid expansion. If Trump and Congress do that then the states won't have a choice but to dump people from Medicaid.

58 posted on 01/06/2017 8:24:15 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Jim Noble
The only way to pay for the health care that the people seem to be demanding is to slash the defense budget. Our defense budget is larger than the next seven or eight countries combined, and the money has to come from somewhere.

Another big chunk must come from within the health industry itself, via cost cutting. You see some of these medical bills, and you wonder where all the money is going.
59 posted on 01/06/2017 8:25:36 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: onedoug
What’s wrong with medical savings accounts?

Coming up with the money to fund one, for one thing. Having an account available is another. Those are managed by businesses and not the government.

60 posted on 01/06/2017 8:26:16 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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