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Should the United States Abandon the Federal Reserve System?
Economics Wire ^ | March 9, 2017 | Viliyana Filipova / Mr. Conrad

Posted on 03/09/2017 8:07:43 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The Federal Reserve gives us the freedom to buy things now that we would otherwise have to wait for.

In looking at the Federal Reserve, it is important to note that this is a money system, not just a group of people sitting in a conference room controlling everything having to do with the US dollar. The Fed is a system just like the government of the US is a system. What that means is that no one controls it, and that it is much bigger than any one person or group of people could ever control. They can guide it, influence it, even do immense damage with it, but it is just too large a system with too many variables, too much lag time required to implement changes, and too many unknowable factors to control.

In some ways, this should actually be reassuring. Despite all the talk we sometimes hear about cabals of Bilderbergers or Illuminati who want to establish a New World Order by controlling our money, this is probably about as likely as Superman suddenly deciding to go on a crime spree!

But, it does mean that the system works slowly and imprecisely. A point that I have made previously is that trying to influence the behavior of people and businesses in the economy by increasing and decreasing the amount of money in circulation is like trying to influence behavior by changing the thermostat. You can turn up the temperature or turn down the temperature, but it just won’t have a uniform effect on everyone. Some people like it hot, while others like it cooler; and many will even try to anticipate it or offset its influence. But it does have certain predictable results.

When the economy is sluggish or struggling, the Fed can often help conditions by giving it a boost. They can lower interest rates to make it easier for people and businesses to borrow money. They can lower reserve requirements so that banks have more liquidity available with which to make loans. And, they can put more money into circulation to make it easier for everyone to get some.

Many people, however, misunderstand this system, and even see the creation of more debt as something bad. They see debt like getting cancer or eating something that isn’t good for you, when debt is really just spending money you will receive in the future right now and paying it back over some agreed upon period of time. This allows us to have things now that we otherwise would have to wait for or might not even be able to have at all if we couldn’t save up the money to buy them.

Not only that, but it allows those who have excess money to lend it to us and receive interest for doing so. It is a way for people to make money by using their money to help others to have the things they want. This is what investing is all about; using excess money you have to provide it to others who can’t and will pay you for the use of it.

Debt can certainly be bad. Just like a gun; if it is used improperly or given to the wrong person, it can be dangerous. Not only can they get themselves into trouble, but they can get others in trouble as well. However, debt can also be the most wonderful thing in the world if you want that new car, that new home, or even the money to build that new factory that will manufacture that product that you know people will want to buy. Debt allows you to risk your future earnings against the circumstances that may prevent you from repaying it.

That’s where banks come into the picture. They employ people who make decisions about who should be extended debt and who should not. By assessing your “debt serviceability”, your ability to repay the money that you want to borrow, they will either make a loan to you or turn you away.

One of the most important factors in a system like this is the availability of jobs, income, and credit. If jobs are scarce, then income is scarce. If income is scarce, then loans are more risky and fewer people and businesses qualify for them. But another problem, which the fiat system resolves and the hard currency system does not, is the availability of credit.

While a hard currency system preserves the value of your savings, it does not expand the amount of money that is available. The total amount of money in the system is limited by the amount of gold or silver that backs it. This means that as the population expands or the number of businesses producing goods or the number of people working for those businesses increase, the money supply does not grow. It’s like telling that teenage boy of yours who has grown from a tall and skinny twelve year old, to a strong and full-size seventeen year old linebacker on the football team, that he has to eat the same amount of food that he ate when he was twelve! That boy is gonna be hungry!

That is the greatest deficiency of the hard currency system, it starves growth and investment while continuing to impoverish our domestic economy if it does not have a positive balance of trade. The fiat currency system does not do that; it feeds the system money so that it grows!

Many people complain about high prices in the economy. The price of gasoline skyrockets, the price of milk and cereal appalls us, the cost to heat and cool our homes and businesses squeezes our budgets ever tighter. But not all price increases are bad. When you see the price of the home you own increase, you like that. When the stock you bought at $12/share increases to $19/share, you like that. When the money you have been putting aside for your retirement increases, you love that. When the value of that classic car you restored increases, or the value of those stamps you’ve been collecting, or even that old walrus beanie baby that your Mom gave you when you were a small child, is now suddenly worth $12,000; you thank your lucky stars!

When the value of assets that we own increase, we like that. When the value of commodities that we have to buy increase, we don’t like that. But, isn’t that just the yin and yang of the market? If you’re buying milk and the price goes up, you don’t like it; if you’re selling milk and the price goes up, you do. And, don’t those dairy farmers dislike it just as much when the cost of tires they have to buy goes up, but you like it a whole lot better when the wages where you work making those tires also go up?

There’s a fiat money myopia that pervades our economy. Credit is essential to our economic survival in this modern world, and without it things would be much different. It is true that we could survive with a hard currency economic system too, but it would be as austere and painful as having only those things that you can afford to buy with cash or what you have saved. And, don’t we deserve more than that?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: assets; commodities; debt; deflation; excesses; federalreserve; fiatmoney; freemarkets; goldstandard; growth; inflation; interest; lending; loans; prices; stimulus; value; wages
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I vote yes. I even have an “end the Fed” jacket, looting the American people since 1913.


21 posted on 03/09/2017 8:39:07 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

That’s not important, unless you want to hide cash in your mattress for 100 years.

What’s important is year to year stability because that dramatically affects business decisions.

The fed has intentionally targeted a small amount of inflation each year. That’s to avoid deflation which causes depressions. But compounded inflation does have the side effect of creating a scary but meaningless chart over the course of 100 years.


22 posted on 03/09/2017 8:43:46 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

That’s not important, unless you want to hide cash in your mattress for 100 years.

What’s important is year to year stability because that dramatically affects business decisions.

The fed has intentionally targeted a small amount of inflation each year. That’s to avoid deflation which causes depressions. But compounded inflation does have the side effect of creating a scary but meaningless chart over the course of 100 years.


23 posted on 03/09/2017 8:43:46 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

>We’ve had one deflationary depression since the Federal Reserve was started, and we used to have one every 20 years before the Fed. That was the Great Depression. And it was caused by a young fed tightening money because they thought they needed to emulate the gold standard. Well they did and they brought around a deflationary depression big time.

Depressions are and always have been debt bubbles. They’re a byproduct of loans with interest and they were first recorded by the Sumerians 3000+ years ago. Incidentally the Sumerians also invented interest on loans and solved the debt bubble problem by having periodic debt jubilees, something that we implemented on a per person basis with bankruptcy.

The cause of the great depression was a huge debt bubble states and federal governments failed to allow the bad debts to be written off until 1946.

Want to avoid depressions? Don’t have loans with interest. Want to break out of our current Japanese style depression? Force the bad debt to be defaulted on quickly to reset the system.


24 posted on 03/09/2017 8:49:12 PM PST by RedWulf (#purge the nevertrumpers)
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Deflation doesn’t cause depressions.

Fiat currencies are confidence games.

The debt is going to get rebooted one way or another.

But agree - year to year stability keeps the con game going.


25 posted on 03/09/2017 8:49:49 PM PST by TheTimeOfMan (A time for peace and a time for war)
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To: TheTimeOfMan

Oh and - Yes GET RID OF THE FED.


26 posted on 03/09/2017 8:50:25 PM PST by TheTimeOfMan (A time for peace and a time for war)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yes, and the sooner the better.


27 posted on 03/09/2017 8:52:12 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: RedWulf

No interest means no loans. No loans means little innovation.

You might as well go back to the barter system. But today’s doctor is going to require a few truck loads of chickens.


28 posted on 03/09/2017 8:56:22 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: RedWulf

No interest means no loans. No loans means little innovation.

You might as well go back to the barter system. But today’s doctor is going to require a few truck loads of chickens.


29 posted on 03/09/2017 8:56:22 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The fed is a credit card for the gov paid for by the citizen. Just like your visa, the fed can change the interest rate whenever it chooses. Unlike your visa, you can’t pay off the balance and cancel the card. This is why Andrew Jackson padlocked the original fed reserve bank.


30 posted on 03/09/2017 9:04:28 PM PST by Billyv (Freedom isn't Free! Get off the sidelines!)
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To: DannyTN

>No interest means no loans. No loans means little innovation.

Really? Funny how Europe developed the modern world almost entirely on investments, not loans and usury was outlawed for most of the middle ages. Medieval banks tended to last a lot longer than our banks because they had to invest directly trade and businesses instead of loaning money with interest. Gave them a lot of skin in the game. Also China was usury free when they where inventing the inventing the crossbow, gun powder, paper, ect.

>You might as well go back to the barter system. But today’s doctor is going to require a few truck loads of chickens.

You’re confusing loans with interest with credit. Long before loans with interest existed people where paying with credit and settling up once a year with goods. Interest bearing loans also predates the invention of money where the interest was paid in terms of extra goods using a set formula, not money.


31 posted on 03/09/2017 9:16:25 PM PST by RedWulf (#purge the nevertrumpers)
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To: DannyTN

One must remember that the inflation Greenspan was always fighting (unrealized by the populous) was WAGE inflation. Rising interest rates restrict business investment/expansion. Look for the Fed to raise rates to counter Trumps economic progress. Reduction of H1B visas will put Americans back to work as will factories returning to America. Both of these will bring lower unemployment, lower welfare roles, increase tax revenues, etc.
These things while great for America, will put upward pressure on WAGES and SALARIES, hence the need for the Fed to raise rates to counter “inflation” (increased cost of goods sold). This is also why McConnell is dragging his feet on tax reform (another HUGE economic incentive), AND why we see Ryan dragging feet on Obama care Repeal. All of the things President Trump desires are good for America, Americans, and as a result the rest of the world. These things are bad for elitists, globalists, treehuggers, global warmers, despots, dictators, tyrants, etc.

In other words, good for the US, bad for the UN! Go Donald MAGA!


32 posted on 03/09/2017 9:17:59 PM PST by Billyv (Freedom isn't Free! Get off the sidelines!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Probably. But if people involved in any ,system, have no integrity then no matter what ,system, is in place will work for good. And evil will result.


33 posted on 03/09/2017 9:23:07 PM PST by mulligan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
For those who are interested, read this book. "The Creature from Jeckell Island" by G. Edward Griffin.

It will tell you why the Federal Reserve was created and it wasn't to benefit the common citizen.

It can be downloaded as a PDF.

34 posted on 03/09/2017 9:26:11 PM PST by Parmy (II don't know how to past the images.)
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To: RedWulf
History of banking

Note section 4.1 the development of Merchant banks in medieval Europe and the next paragraph that talks about interest in medieval Europe.

Also see section 6 about 17th century goldsmiths.

35 posted on 03/09/2017 9:38:47 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: RedWulf
History of banking

Note section 4.1 the development of Merchant banks in medieval Europe and the next paragraph that talks about interest in medieval Europe.

Also see section 6 about 17th century goldsmiths.

36 posted on 03/09/2017 9:38:47 PM PST by DannyTN
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End the _federal_reserve_ ; it violates USConstitution and the law of YHVH. It is unequal weights and measures.
It is the _primary_ secular cause of a USGov gone wild, covert, off the rails, lawless, unlimited, pretending to _be_ god.


37 posted on 03/09/2017 9:47:30 PM PST by veracious (UN = OIC = Islam ; Democrats may change USAgov completely, just amend USConstitution)
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To: DannyTN

What’s your point? That people sometimes found ways around the ban on usury? The point of banning Usury was to prevent large scale debt bubbles and as long as it wasn’t done on a large scale, which it wasn’t in Europe then it wasn’t a major problem. Secondly, the article ignores the long history of bankers making investments instead of loans during the middle ages. As we see today and back then it’s investments that create innovation, not loans with interest.


38 posted on 03/09/2017 9:50:17 PM PST by RedWulf (#purge the nevertrumpers)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTT


39 posted on 03/09/2017 10:53:28 PM PST by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

That reads like an 8th grader’s essay. This guy has no idea what the Fed is.


40 posted on 03/10/2017 1:29:49 AM PST by mindburglar (When Superman and Batman fight, the only winner is crime.)
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