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To: sickoflibs

I think the individual should decide on what to do with their body. That doesn’t mean I’m pro abortion, I just don’t think the federal gov’t should mandate it either way.


13 posted on 03/20/2017 11:58:38 AM PDT by nikos1121 (We are about to see The Golden Age of Pericles in the new Trump Administration.)
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To: nikos1121
RE:”I think the individual should decide on what to do with their body. That doesn’t mean I’m pro abortion, I just don’t think the federal gov’t should mandate it either way.”

She doesn't seem to understand that killing your baby is taking away another person's rights, to life.

But you do understand that, right?

14 posted on 03/20/2017 12:02:27 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Don't call it Trumpcare until he does!)
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To: nikos1121

An embryo has a heartbeat at five weeks. Do you know anyone that has two hearts? How then is an embryo merely a body part of the mother?


18 posted on 03/20/2017 12:20:40 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: nikos1121

What do you not understand about pro-choice being pro-abortion? Yes, you are pro-choice by your own words.

One thing this Tomi bimbo has done has brought the pro-aborts out of the woodwork. I suggest you all take a good look at yourselves.


20 posted on 03/20/2017 12:32:07 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable.)
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To: nikos1121

Wrong premise. It is not “their body.” It is an unborn human fetus with dna from two individuals, i.e, a separate human.


30 posted on 03/20/2017 1:54:17 PM PDT by Fungi (Five genera of fungi are responsible for 90% of all inhaled fungi. Breathing is not healthy.)
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To: nikos1121

Well, the Framers don’t agree with you.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” — The Declaration of Independence

“to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity” — The Constitution of the United States. (Let me ask you, who are “our posterity”?)

“nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law” — Amendment V

“nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” — Amendment XIV

Judge James Wilson of Pennsylvania is one of just 6 men to sign both the Declaration of Independence and teh Constitution. He wa also one of the original justices of teh Supreme Court.

http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/tay/tay_03foundingfather.html

“James Wilson’s “Lectures on Law,” given at what eventually was to become the University of Pennsylvania, clearly affirm that the right to life encompasses the unborn. Wilson was one of only six men to sign both the Declaration and the Constitution, and was a Supreme Court justice from 1789 to 1798. Recognized as “the most learned and profound legal scholar of his generation,” Wilson’s lectures were attended by President George Washington, Vice President John Adams, Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson and a “galaxy of other republican worthies.” For this reason, as constitutional scholar Walter Berns states, “Wilson, when speaking on the law, might be said to be speaking for the Founders generally.” So what do the Founders say about the right to life?

Wilson clearly answers this question: “With consistency, beautiful and undeviating, human life from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law. In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and in some cases, from every degree of danger.”

Given Wilson’s exegesis, one cannot doubt that the Founders recognized that unborn infants are owed the full protection of the law.”

“Bouvier, citing Theodric and John Beck’s 1835 Elements of Medical Jurisprudence, himself questions the age-old idea of the quickening, noting that “physiologists, perhaps with reason, think that the child is a living being from the moment of conception.”

“Subsequent federal and state laws banning abortion altogether were a logical development of the Founding Fathers’ absolute reverence for the self-evident and inalienable right to life. It is no accident that the Declaration, as written by Thomas Jefferson, characterizes the right to life as the first of those three foundational rights for the sake of which government itself is instituted. Where there is no guarantee of the right to life, legitimate political authority simply does not exist. Where there is no guarantee to life for both the weak and the strong, the rights to liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all are themselves at risk. “

The Framers seemed to think that both the state and Federal governments had authority over abortion.


39 posted on 03/20/2017 2:16:59 PM PDT by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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