Reap the whirlwind.
Posted on 08/09/2017 5:57:25 AM PDT by C19fan
More than 60 women are considering suing Google for alleged sexism, claiming female employees are being paid less than men despite having the same qualifications. The potential class action lawsuit from current and former Google employees comes as the tech giant continues to manage the fallout after a male engineer's 10-page memo became a viral phenomenon.
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Racism too. How little are they paying the people from India?
Probably not true, but go ahead and sue the leftist bastards anyway.
Not taking a side here but this is interesting wording.
Qualification does not necessarily equal production.
“Probably not true, but go ahead and sue the leftist bastards anyway.”
I was at a Fortune 500 company where candidates who negotiated well got wonderful salaries. Candidates who didn’t got some really low salaries by taking the first offer. I can see a situation where, due to HR practices, you could have aggressive male negotiators earning twice what their more submissive female coworkers make. And, yes, ratios were that bad. This has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with women, by-and-large, being lousy at playing the male games.
There was a similar situation where a court decided a cell phone company gave great deals to whites but less advantageous deals to blacks. The company’s response was, whites negotiated and the blacks did not. (I don’t recall how it was settled.)
An interesting point and a good one.
But, what is their past performance history?
I was on an IT contract in the Seattle area where the project lead, who knew how much everyone was being paid, talked to me way too much. All team members were contractors, due to the project type.
Keep in mind that the numbers below are not billing rates. They are net to the contractor. Keep in mind also that the skill sets, though not identical, were very similar. In other environments they all had similar, if not identical value.
Of 27 contractors, the lowest paid one made $28 an hour and the highest paid one made $275 an hour.
I knew the one that made $28 because she was also pretty talkative. She thought she was making lots of money. :-)
I love it. Google must be punished for treating paying less to women with the same credentials-not qualifications- as men and thus pay more for actual production in order to be “gender neutral” in their rcompensation policies.
Reap the whirlwind.
So I guess the memo wasn’t the real issue after all.
Just as Anita Hill told them to do YESTERDAY.
Not a coin-kee-dink. Something the Left has been brewing for quite some time.
That's awesome. Google needs to get them a double heapin helping of their social justice warrior seeding of the whirlwind.
Google needs to be smashed as a monopoly anyways, and anything which damages or hurts that company is in the best interests of the United States and freedom in general.
I read a comment the other day that suggested the reason Google reacted so badly to the memo is because it exposed the fact that they didn't have equal numbers of men and women working on their staff; That their staff was heavily weighted towards men, and therefore it exposed them to some serious legal liability.
I had a woman boss who did everything in her power to destroy me. I waited until she did something pretty illegal in employment law (she told a co-worker I was too senile to do my job) and then fought back and won.
That is the problem with women who are not quite competent. They try and destroy those who are.
My other problem is that women bosses are not looked on favorable especially when dealing with H1B hires. They felt their status was lower because they worked for me instead of a man. Too bad.
The third thing that I note is that male bosses can get away with a lot more than female bosses. I watched temp tantrums regularly from the higher ups in my company. If I ever did anything approaching that, it was simply not allowed.
All that said women can do well in technology and I hope many more do have the courage to enter the profession. But suing the company you are working for is not the road to success. Competence is.
POL news posted pictures of some of the people working there. It was a rogue’s gallery of SJWs and feminazis. One guy had a “punch nazi” for his name. He looked like he couldn’t punch his way out of wet paper bag.
All companies have pay ranges for each position. Depending on the size of the company they might have many ranges; junior engineer, mid-level engineer, senior engineer, staff engineer, architect, etc...
Each of those ranges will have a min and a max pay range. For example a junior programmer might start at 65k and the top is 78k a year.
If the company wants to hire an individual, the hiring manager has flexibility to offer higher pay than their competitors.
In the tech industry, you have what we call “rock stars” and then there’s the average, then there’s the “dead wood”. Guaranteed that your rock stars already make or will eventually make more than the other two categories.
I work with a lot of “rock stars”. Men and women who have amazing intelligence and skill. And I doubt very strongly that any of them make the same amount of money. They maybe in the same salary range, but the exact amounts will differ.
I work for a fortune 50 company($100 billion and 100k employees). Now, to be open and honest, for what it’s worth, all the “super coders” are all men. By that I mean the Sheldon Cooper(Big Bang Theory) level geniuses are all men. Some very bright women for sure that I would hire in a minute. But the real producers, the architects -programmers who design large and complex systems, the real computer nerds -the “super coders”, are all men. Those are the ones who are always going to be paid more because they are worth more.
I’m guessing the differences in performance was being noticed by HR so they came up with a really embarrassing women’s recognition program. They created a special web page for this new initiative to recognize women. So they picked a couple dozen women and posted their pictures on the web page with a list of their “accomplishments”. I’m guessing they did that because of the lack of patents and other overt recognition given to the men as a matter of their real accomplishments.
Kind of like a participation trophy to hedge against law suits like the one at Google.
My experience in IT is that women get paid less than men. In all honesty, it is sexist. When you think of a programmer, you think of a nerd and nerds are always depicted as males. There is a tendency to dismiss women in the field, especially if they are attractive. I’ve even had managers say that(back when you could say it).
All of our systems people are men as are our DBA’s. They are usually more highly paid than applications programmers. Application Programmers here are about 30% female.
...Didn’t really like the way my last post came off after posting. What is missing is that men tend to not just work on computers but also tend to spend a good portion of their lives on computers. That’s their life.
So, they do tend to work longer hours, and get off on being a “super coder”. Very few woman have that mentality.
I’ve seen at least one scientific write up that discussed the difference between men and women in this light. That it’s a product of testosterone that makes men competitive to the point of obsession. Which makes men like Mozart, Beethoven, and Oppenheimer. Their obsession and drive lead them to greatness. Women don’t reach that level of obsession.
That study also pointed out that the same biological forces that drive some men to greatness also leave some men at the extreme low end of the intelligence scale. Men tend to be on the extremes of high and low and women are in the middle. So even though you won’t find a female Beethoven, the lowest human IQ’s will always be male.
That equates to higher performance. In a neutral environment, the higher performing group is going to be rewarded slightly more, always.
This also doesn't always translate to being hired for equal positions.
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