Posted on 08/29/2017 5:12:07 PM PDT by SMGFan
— Transgender troops will be allowed to continue serving in the military pending a review, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis announced Tuesday. His announcement comes just days after President Donald Trump directed the military not to recruit transgender troops. Trump initially tweeted that transgender individuals could no longer serve in the military
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I'll send you my DD214...does the asylum have a fax#?
I actually participated in several 'surprise inspections'...in the form of the whiz quiz...can Gibbs or McGee explain to you how that is different than "As a military officer you can search anywhere, anything, anytime on a military facility".
But just to make sure I'm piecing this together correctly - you are walking back from 'no 4th amendment rights' and creeping towards 'work arounds', which is an acknowledgement that soldiers and sailors do indeed have 4th amendment rights, and you were wrong all along...and apparently you acted with malice and deliberately attempted to 'work around' sailors' constitutional rights.
Yes, I was in the military. And other than routine 'spit shine' inspections and the occasional whiz quiz, I can count 1 instance in 9 years of any type of inspection looking for contraband. It sounds like you were in a terrible unit, run by morons, who treated sailors like inmates.
We had a drug problem on the ship I was on. The CO and XO were tyrants in that regard. Probable cause, yeah right. LOL.
It can go pretty fast, but these days 2 weeks would be considered lightning speed. The time frame also depends on whether the person is willing to leave or wants to fight part of the process which can add time. Usually more like 4 months for the process to play out now for an average. Remember this is not one individual they are dealing with- it is a group that has to be dealt with. The review is to determine exactly what the process will be to deal with processing out the group, then it will begin.
It will be more complicated than that. What about a person that says they are transgender, does not act out on it- no surgery plan, no cross dressing. No other legitimate reason to discharge them. Then what? This will all have to be determined by the review process.
And just to get back to the original topic...your experience in the military of ignoring UCMJ, dismissing it as a 'joke', and acting like a 'dictatorship' would be an effective way to rid the military of trannies, as opposed to doing it in a methodical manner, which would (hopefully) withstand the ultimate court challenge - a court challenge you were initially in denial about ever happening, but will surely happen and be highly publicized and politicized.
IOW, the poisonous command climate in your piece of crap drug infested unit is just what the doctor ordered for a bulletproof repeal of Barry's tranny policy. How about we try it another way first.
The only “rights” you have in the military is the right to follow lawful orders. JAGS can kiss my ass if you think that I recognized an enlisted men’s Constitutional rights. They had rights under the UCMJ and they were treated like men. If they had a problem with me they could take it up the chain. I had no problem with them doing that and I encouraged them to do so.
Once you walk down the brow or drive off the base you are on your own. You have whatever rights the foreign country we are visiting gives you or if in the USA the rights of any other civilian.
At sea you are 7/24 on a military installation and have zero constitutional rights.
The military is not for everybody.
The war business is a cruel business. We need to re learn that.
You obviously won't admit you were 100% wrong on at least 4 declarative statements you have made on this thread - and have now regressed into the 'we did what we wanted no matter what the rules' mode. OK that was your experience...but I am BEGGING YOU: Quit making FAKE statements about military in general, based on your screwed up experience in it. central_va = FakeNavy
Pre-Clinton it already was. I enlisted in 1977 and right there in the contract was "are you now or have you ever been a homosexual?" (I'm paraphrasing) and you had better have initialed/checked "no" or you weren't getting in. After Clintonian "don't ask don't tell" was signed into law, that little clause was actually redacted on the contract. It was still there, just blacked out.
Now that the wolf is in the chicken coop, I don't think it will be easy to get rid of them again.
You can face reality or deny reality, you have choosen the latter.
Gee, my experience in the navy seemed real to me at the time. maybe I was dreaming.
For those staying, its called a Bar to Reenlistment, keeping them from signing up for another enlistment period. The reason is simple, a mental disorder that points to an unreliability in stressful situations.
Does the president have the power to make cross dressing a UCMJ violation and also render prescribed punishment for said offense immediate discharge?
As to yours...I am not a lawyer...but contrary to your worldview, the UCMJ was not created by a dictatorial president, but rather by CONGRESS...as all laws should be. Recently, however, it has been changed by a 'pen and a phone'...ie by executive order. I suppose anything is possible with an executive order, but that action of making law without congress is, IMHO, not in accordance with the constitution and is a practice that should be stopped.
However, I am positive that pre-Barry, cross-dressing was a violation of UCMJ, so any action to now make it illegal would be an undoing of his unconstitutional behavior and would be appropriate...but it will never happen.
Barry didn't feminize the military in one fell swoop on his first day of office. Instead, he waited for 'studies' and 'recommendations' - this is because Barry is not an idiot. For similar reasons, Trump can't undo Barry's work in an instant either.
Yes I bet that is what they do. It would take a little time to get every single one transitioned out of the military though some here think they can just kick them to the curb today.
I don’t know how many transgenders are in the military now, a media article the other day mentioned a couple thousand? The numbers I have seen that came from the military are far lower. I guess they will determine that with their review along with the plan to get them discharged.
If Barry removed cross dressing violations from the UCMJ then Trump can put it back in. What about the political ramifications of allowing this to go on? Trump looks really bad condoning this lunacy.
I hear you, legal jujitsu to keep some judge from interfering.
But I don’t know, could be you’re rationalizing.
I just feels like we’re getting jerked around.
>>Trump looks really bad condoning this lunacy.
Yep.
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