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Trump Makes 'Friends' Outside GOP
Town Hall ^ | Sep 10, 2017 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 09/10/2017 8:06:51 AM PDT by Cheerio

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To: BobL

Your scenario is plausible. In addition, it has always seemed likely to me that bringing down Pres Trump by any means will naturally result in the complete decimation of the Republican party. The reason this is not being admitted is that the uniparty has that goal in mind anyway. Pres Trump has stripped the no Trumpers in both dem and rep parties bare. Pres Trump is free to go all out with whatever he sees best for America and the citizens who put him in power. God bless Pres Donald Trump.


21 posted on 09/10/2017 9:11:57 AM PDT by mountainfolk
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To: Cheerio
What happened is much of the GOP did not support Trump. Trump has no choice to get anything done for the American people unless he reaches anywhere he can. Blame the rotten position on McConnell and Ryan to start with. Then the list of GOPe is huge.
22 posted on 09/10/2017 9:12:46 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Cheerio

Cool.

We should all do the same.

To Hell with the GOP.


23 posted on 09/10/2017 9:14:56 AM PDT by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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To: Cheerio

I hope Ryan and McConnell feel like asses.
Well,bigger asses.


24 posted on 09/10/2017 9:19:51 AM PDT by Leep (Less talk more ACTiON!)
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To: Jarhead9297

You’re right but.....on here if you’re not a worshipper you’ve got to be a nevertrumper. Never seen anything like it except.....Obama and his dem worshippers.


25 posted on 09/10/2017 9:19:55 AM PDT by sheana
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To: mountainfolk

Thanks. Ryan wears his contempt for Trump on his sleeve. It seems implausible to think that Ryan would be scheming to overthrow Trump.

Back in the Convention time frame Ryan was about to have Trump kicked off the ticket and take his spot (as the nominee)...but then, I guess they did some polling and found that not only would Ryan get demolished in the election due to Trump’s base (by then well over half of the party) staying home, but so would down-ticket Republicans - who, I’m convinced, put an end to that plan and explained to Ryan that he’s not doing Republicans any favors if he boots Trump against the will of Trump’s supporters.

So that brings us today, and the goal of Ryan is the same as the goal of the Democrats, which is to sever the bond between Trump and his voters. The only problem Ryan has is that he’s HATED by the base, so he has to do his scheming behind closed doors.


26 posted on 09/10/2017 9:23:55 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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But no...the Republicans refuse to even consider it...which means that they want to be able to go their voters (i.e., us) and say: “We told you so, Trump was never going to get you the Wall. He lied to you, it’s time for new blood in the White House.”

The bottom line is that TRUMP was to look ineffective and useless. However, that just changed, now the ones looking ineffective and useless are the Republican leaders in Congress - with Ryan’s Speakership in jeopardy.


I have been saying it for sometime now - Trump MUST run as an Independent in 2020 and tell the Grand Old Party to stick it where the sun don't shine. I used to maintain he could have won 2016 as a 3rd party - that is how disgusted and angry most voters are with the Uniparty controlling this nation and pushing their OWG goal.
27 posted on 09/10/2017 9:25:59 AM PDT by Cheerio (#44, The unknown President)
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To: Logical me

Most Conservative voters are smart and know that it’s not Trump fault that nothing is getting done. They know the GOP in D.C. is actively trying to stymie Trump. We have a president that’s willing to sign a repeal of Obamacare and yet the GOP don’t want to give Trump a victory


28 posted on 09/10/2017 9:27:38 AM PDT by Bigtigermike (D)
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To: Poison Pill

“You can’t outspend a Democrat. Trump may find this out the hard way.”

You don’t have to outspend them if they spend it for you. This keeps Trump clean from the optics of spending (get conservatives off his back) AND get his priorities addressed — using Democratic spending. Having your cake and eating it, too. If this analysis is indeed true — absolute GENIUS


29 posted on 09/10/2017 9:43:06 AM PDT by sagar
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To: Cheerio

Nope...that just plays into Democrat hands, since all of the money and half of the votes (the less-informed voters) will stay with the old party either because they don’t like Trump or because they’ll fall for the media savaging of Trump’s new party (loaded up with KKK/Nazi types, etc.). So we split down the middle and the Dems take full control of the country, as they did in 1992 when Perot pulled a huge number of Republicans away from Bush.

Trump, instead, needs to use his people to REFORM the Republican Party. He needs to direct them to Primary-Out existing Republican leaders (and he can, providing there are high quality alternatives). Then the big money will have to either go to the anti-business, hard-left Democrats, or the pro-business reformed Republican Party. My betting is that they’ll stay with us...same for our voters, the vast majority will stay with the Republican Party after being reformed.


30 posted on 09/10/2017 9:43:51 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: Jarhead9297

There is no Republican party and there hasn’t been one for years. They are a kabuki party to give the illusion of political representation to people on the right, roughly half of the country. That is their sole function. If the last 8 months and years of excuses why nothing and I mean nothing conservative has gotten done can’t convince you I don’t know what will. Levin and Savage are purely academic. They have no party to implement anything. Totally impotent. Trump is the only game in town. The only viable political power that any conservative has had in decades and sadly if he fails then it’s game over. We will be drummed out of the public square and maybe worse. This is our last stand and when I hear so called conservatives downing The President they seem so naive i feel sorry for their stupidity but I wish I could share in their ignorance and not know the truth.


31 posted on 09/10/2017 9:53:32 AM PDT by McCarthysGhost
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Nope...that just plays into Democrat hands, since all of the money and half of the votes (the less-informed voters) will stay with the old party either because they don’t like Trump or because they’ll fall for the media savaging of Trump’s new party (loaded up with KKK/Nazi types, etc.). So we split down the middle and the Dems take full control of the country, as they did in 1992 when Perot pulled a huge number of Republicans away from Bush.

I have to respectfully disagree. These are much different times than Ross Perot who I also supported - we have an extremely angry conservative base. My logic is what Billy Cunningham has been spouting as of late: Trump runs as I and might get 40% of his very loyal base; the R and the D split the remaining 60%. Trump wins.
32 posted on 09/10/2017 10:03:51 AM PDT by Cheerio (#44, The unknown President)
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To: sagar
You don’t have to outspend them if they spend it for you.

Pelosi and Schumer aren't going to do his bidding. They don't owe him anything. They are a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.

Goverment spending has a funny way of getting away from you. Money spent on bureaucracy is forever out of your control as those systems eventually metastacize into government employee union sinkholes. Reagan made this mistake with Tip O'Neill. Bush created the TSA and then handed it to the unions. The list of these types of errors are long and they always start by cooperating with Democrats.

33 posted on 09/10/2017 10:11:30 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Cheerio

Would be nice...but we’ll have to disagree...for now.

Now if Trump got his numbers up to say 60% support, then yes, he’d have a shot as an independent. But for now, there’s simply too many Republican voters that are not Trump fanatics.


34 posted on 09/10/2017 10:13:24 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: Cheerio
Trump Makes 'Friends' Outside GOP

You mean other than his Cabinet?

35 posted on 09/10/2017 2:09:17 PM PDT by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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Trump Makes 'Friends' Outside GOP

They are not your friends, any more than Ryan or McConnell are. The sooner you realize that the better.

36 posted on 09/10/2017 2:14:01 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Jarhead9297
I actually listen to his show every day and he is behind Trump and has been since the election.

No he hasn't been behind him since the election. I cancelled my premier membership long after the election because he kept insulting the President. Many here like me criticize some of Trump's decisions but that is a far step from attacking Trump personally.

However that doesn't really matter because if you don't under stand that Trump is playing 32D Chess then you are labeled a #NeverTrumper here. Fact is we are big time Trump Supporters and we want him to retain a Congress and Senate in 18 but some of his new positions put that prospect in danger.

37 posted on 09/10/2017 2:20:08 PM PDT by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: Poison Pill
Pelosi and Schumer aren't going to do his bidding. They don't owe him anything.

Even if they did there is zero chance that would pay. No the way that game works is Trump bribes them with something. Unless he has something very serious to hold over them.

38 posted on 09/10/2017 2:24:57 PM PDT by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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