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Tax bill: Senate passes sweeping tax overhaul in early morning vote
CBS (Commie Bull Spreading) ^ | December 2, 2017 | Kathryn Watson

Posted on 12/02/2017 11:22:31 AM PST by Navy Patriot

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Democrats were outraged, asking for more time to review the measure.

Screw you Rats, as Nancy Pelousy says: "ya gotta pass it to know what's in it".

1 posted on 12/02/2017 11:22:31 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

Read the bill before passing it? Like 0bamacare?


2 posted on 12/02/2017 11:24:01 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Navy Patriot

Democrats Outraged....You had it all for 8 years and did NOTHING except dole out “bribes for minions”.


3 posted on 12/02/2017 11:28:38 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Billthedrill

this will cause a huge of boomer left wing nuts moving to red states and making them blue .

god help us .
it will awful .


4 posted on 12/02/2017 11:30:45 AM PST by ncalburt (l)
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To: Navy Patriot

Damn it! You beat me to it!!!


5 posted on 12/02/2017 11:31:40 AM PST by VideoPaul
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To: Navy Patriot

How abou “all legislation will be made available to the general public for three days before I sign it”—O’Vomit


6 posted on 12/02/2017 11:33:38 AM PST by VideoPaul
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To: Billthedrill
Read the bill before passing it? Like 0bamacare?

No, first shove the bill up the DemoRat's rear, then beat the DemoRat until he passes, then send him to an Obamacare doctor to receive that "medical care" he promised to illegal aliens.

7 posted on 12/02/2017 11:35:24 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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To: Sacajaweau
Democrats Outraged....

I think that's the best part.

8 posted on 12/02/2017 11:38:09 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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The Senate bill also repeals the individual mandate under Obamacare, something conservatives in Congress have long wanted.

And something the "Republicans" have promised repeatedly to get elected ....

Hopefully this stays in the reconciled bill for DJT's signature.

9 posted on 12/02/2017 11:43:18 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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THIS BILL WILL PROVE A DISASTER FOR REPUBLICANS AS DID OBAMACARE FOR DEMOCRATS.

TRUMP’S PROMISE DURING THE CAMPAIGN

“”We will massively cut taxes for the middle class, the forgotten people, the forgotten men and women of this country, who built our country....Tax relief will be concentrated on the working and middle class taxpayer. They will receive the biggest benefit and it won’t even be close.” Donald Trump, Scranton PA, Oct 2016

It’s interesting to me that i haven’t heard one congress critter oppose this bill on the grounds of its evisceration of the middle class. where are the folks that we elected to represent us? oh, that’s right, we are only given lip service at re-election time.

the elimination of most of the itemized deductions should be a deal killer to all those of our duly elected to represent us who vote them into office, and not as thank you gifts to those corporations who donate the fattest envelopes to their re-election campaigns.

so just as the cost of obamacare was being shouldered by all the healthy young people who had to sign up or pay a fine, this tax bill is being paid for by the average middle class taxpayer for the benefit of big permanent tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy. Touting this as a tax cut to all the middle class deplorables who elected Trump is the same as obama promising that you would save $2500 on your insurance premiums and could keep your doctor. This isn’t a tax cut, but a tax increase for the average American.

the standard deduction is being not quite doubled, but then they are eliminating the individual personal exemptions [of $4,050 each] for yourself, your spouse and your dependents. a couple with 2 children filing jointly would then lose $16,200 in deductions. so they give with one hand but take away with the other. in addition, they are eliminating the extra deduction for those over 65 or blind.

if you take the standard deduction, you cannot then itemize; therefore, giving up the normal deductions for medical expenses, long term care insurance expenses, state and local taxes, property taxes [under the senate bill], mortgage interest deduction limits, student loan interest deductions, moving expenses, alimony, dependent care assistance accounts, casualty and theft losses, unreimbursed job expenses and tax preparation fees.

further details about this “wonderful” tax grab:

Exclusions and exemptions.
The measure would repeal personal and dependency exemptions (which is $4,050 per individual in 2017), exclusions for employee achievement awards, employer education assistance, qualified tuition programs, dependent care assistance, qualified moving reimbursements, and adoption assistance. Contribution to Coverdell education savings accounts would be barred, but funds in existing accounts could be rolled over to 529 plans.

Deductions.
Certain deductions from gross income as well as itemized deductions would be eliminated. Deductions from gross income set to be axed include the alimony deduction (for divorce or separation agreements entered into after Dec. 31, 2017, student loan interest (although the Senate version would retain this deduction), interest on U.S. savings bonds redeemed for higher education, the moving expense deduction, the deduction for contributions to Archer medical savings accounts, out-of-pocket educator expenses, and expenses of performing artists and certain government officials.

Itemized deductions on the chopping block include the medical expense deduction, state and local income or sales taxes, the casualty and theft loss deduction (except for casualty losses in federally-declared disaster areas), and miscellaneous itemized deductions for tax return preparation and unreimbursed employee business expenses.

Tax credits.
The bill would repeal the credit for the elderly and permanently disabled, the credit for mortgage certificates, and the credit for plug-in electric vehicles. The bill would eliminate the lifetime learning credit by consolidating it into the American opportunity credit. The credit would be available for five years of higher education (instead of four years), but the amount in the fifth year would half the usual maximum (including the amount eligible for the 40 percent refundable portion of the credit).

Now look at its impact on the economic strata of taxpayers to see who benefits the most:

“...the highest-income taxpayers (0.1 percent of the population, or those with incomes over $3.7 million in 2016 dollars) would experience an average tax cut of nearly $1.1 million, over 14 percent of after-tax income. Households in the middle fifth of the income distribution would receive an average tax cut of $ 1,010, or 1.8 percent of after-tax income, while the poorest fifth of households would see their taxes go down an average of $110, or 0.8 percent of their after-tax income.”


10 posted on 12/02/2017 11:45:45 AM PST by IWONDR
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Maybe not so much. You have to consider who would voluntarily move and purchase property in a blue state after this. Many of the ones who would want to leave would have to sell mortgaged properties before they could leave. The implication to me is a big hit on real estate in both CA and NY until reasonable tax reform takes place at a state level.

And local frustration at inaction in places of CA or NY might just trigger some sudden retirements of democrats who aren't making the cut.

11 posted on 12/02/2017 11:48:29 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: IWONDR

this is a disaster .
the corporate lobbyists wrote this so no wonder Mccain said okay.
the gop will lose both houses and
millions of Dems will flood Red states making them Blue !

Trump needs to kill this thing.


12 posted on 12/02/2017 11:57:38 AM PST by ncalburt (l)
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There will probably not be a lot of folks leaving Washington state under this tax bill.

We have no income tax and do not deduct sales tax although ours are high. The maximum mortgage tax deduction of 10,000 will cause some people to pay more federal income tax but likely not enough to cause them to move.


13 posted on 12/02/2017 11:59:13 AM PST by angry elephant (My MAGA cap is from a rally in Washingon state in May 2016)
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“Trump needs to kill this thing.”

WHAT have you been smoking????


14 posted on 12/02/2017 12:01:44 PM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom not more government)
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15 posted on 12/02/2017 12:04:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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I sadly doubt that .
the baby boomers are flooding FL GA NC AZ and ID already .
This people who are renting will follow there parents and spounge off them and demand more benefits .
The major employers will flee too avoiding taxes and drag more millenias too .
It will be a avalanche of Dem voters in FL GA etc..,
Theee blue states are owned by the unions nothing will change .


16 posted on 12/02/2017 12:07:29 PM PST by ncalburt (l)
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Now look at its impact on the economic strata of taxpayers to see who benefits the most: “...the highest-income taxpayers (0.1 percent of the population, or those with incomes over $3.7 million in 2016 dollars) would experience an average tax cut of nearly $1.1 million, over 14 percent of after-tax income. Households in the middle fifth of the income distribution would receive an average tax cut of $ 1,010, or 1.8 percent of after-tax income, while the poorest fifth of households would see their taxes go down an average of $110, or 0.8 percent of their after-tax income.”

So the only significant legislation the Republicans are willing to pass is a huge tax break for the wealthy while ignoring illegal immigration, unfair trade with China, ect. Middle and working class get a few crumbs thrown their way. Same as it ever was.

17 posted on 12/02/2017 12:09:28 PM PST by jimwatx
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To: IWONDR

You or information is probably accurate, but I’m willing to bet that very, very few “Deplorables” itemized any of those deductions on their tax returns. I suspect the ones hit hardest by this will be upper middle-class taxpayers in areas like mine that voted for Hillary Clinton.


18 posted on 12/02/2017 12:10:07 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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Forgot TN which has ILL and Oddly Calif libs moving to Nashville in droves !Nashville has a Former Calif lefty as mayor .
they have no state tax too .


19 posted on 12/02/2017 12:10:36 PM PST by ncalburt (l)
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To: Alberta's Child

Removing the Medical expenses is a massive mistake .
The TV ads write themselves .
It will ugly .


20 posted on 12/02/2017 12:17:47 PM PST by ncalburt (l)
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