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The end of American prison visits: jails end face-to-face contact – and families suffer
The Guardian ^ | 12/9/17 | Shannon Sims

Posted on 12/09/2017 8:07:23 AM PST by x1stcav

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To: x1stcav

Actions have consequences.
Nevertheless, let us not forget that during a face to face visit in a Maryland prison Marion “Bitch set me up” Barry got a lewinsky in a crowded visitors’ room in front of children. Not one “visitor” or inmate complained. This was only picked up on a surveillance camera. Look it up.


21 posted on 12/09/2017 8:52:13 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism us truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: ryderann

“Visits should be limited to holidays and earned by good behavior. All phone calls should be recorded.”

Visits and phone calls for convicted prisoners should not be allowed, period.

Those incarcerated pending trial should only be allowed contact with attorneys who are defending then in that specific case. And then both parties should be cavity searched following the consultation.


22 posted on 12/09/2017 8:58:08 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“In this particular cell-block, Machine Gun Kelly had what we call in the prison system, a ‘bitch’.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah7mS9H_TOM


23 posted on 12/09/2017 9:00:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: bk1000

“There are places in the world where prisioners are not fed.”

Prisoners in this country should be presented a hefty bill for lodging, security, clothing and food upon their release. This bill should not be able to be discharged through bankruptcy. If they don’t make payments on schedule, they should be imprisoned in debtors prison until it is paid in full, to include fresh debt they accrue while in debtors prison.

If prisoners die while incarcerated, their heirs should be burdened with the debt owed to the state.


24 posted on 12/09/2017 9:02:57 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: x1stcav

With video visitation being phased in, those living in the vicinity of prisons can breathe easier because gang members and other low life will no longer be showing up in the neighborhood to visit their incarcerated chums.


25 posted on 12/09/2017 9:08:03 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: x1stcav

Sadly, there are apologists for the criminals over the police here.. :/

It sickens me that there is still a system in the US that allows the physical contact between a convicted person (usually a felon) and his ‘mate’...

As far as I am concerned.. Prison is NOT about rehabilitating; it is about punishing those that commit a real crime :/
(speeding tickets are NOT the same thing here.. I am sure you get it..)..


26 posted on 12/09/2017 9:12:24 AM PST by Bikkuri
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To: bk1000

“There are places in the world where prisioners are not fed. It is up to the family to bring food for them.”


And much of that is taken by prison gangs, leaving the weak to starve or die of infections caused by beating ... Seven years in some countries is a death sentence.

Others hang a calender showing the remaining time outside of the cell where the prisoner can see it, each day is removed as it comes, except the last one which can remain up for years or for the life of the prisoner, depending on the whims of the guards.


27 posted on 12/09/2017 9:12:43 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: bk1000

always good to set standards based on what other hellholes do. Good stuff.


28 posted on 12/09/2017 9:13:55 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Build Kate's Wall)
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To: x1stcav

How many person-to-person visits with family, do our military people employed overseas get to enjoy? Prison should be real punishment, then perhaps it might be a deterrent for crime.


29 posted on 12/09/2017 9:21:31 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: bk1000

***There are places in the world where prisioners are not fed.***

I remember, back in 1966, booklets being sold in El Paso Texas stores warning people not to get jailed in Mexico.


30 posted on 12/09/2017 9:28:38 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: x1stcav
If we are going to turn them loose when they complete their sentence, it would behoove us to treat them humanely. Regular visitation should be allowed for non-lifers to encourage good behavior and a better mental outlook upon release.

That said, I don't see the logic for allowing contact visits or conjugal visits - too easy to pass contraband items to the inmate.

There is a strong financial incentive for Democrats to keep the prisoner population high though - gotta keep the doors revolving to keep the money flowing, therefore, not much incentive to combat recidivism. In California, The CCPOA (California Correctional Peace Officers Association) contributes heavily to Democratic candidates, such as sending $2 million to Grey Davis in 2002 for example. 28,500 members currently (down from a high of 31,000 - 7,000 more budgeted but not hired) contribute $59 per month, or a total of approximately $20 million annually - that's a fair amount of political clout. More prisoners leads to more prisons; more prisons require more guards; more guards equal more fundraising capability; fundraising, of course, translates into political influence.

The lifers - including the 3rd strike inmates, are not ever going to be released so they don't need any contact with the outside, no potential benefit to society is gained by allowing visitation. I would put those on the chain gang and work them to death at hard labor.

31 posted on 12/09/2017 9:32:33 AM PST by eldoradude (Keep calm...we'll get to the carrion part later.)
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To: eldoradude

Worked in prisons for 28 years. Sometimes you do something to make the place more manageable. Many officer support programs and consideration for well behaved inmates. It makes the place easier to manage. 2 officers controlling 100 inmates doesn’t just happen by magic.


32 posted on 12/09/2017 9:37:05 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Build Kate's Wall)
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To: markomalley

“If they don’t make payments on schedule, they should be imprisoned in debtors prison until it is paid in full, to include fresh debt they accrue while in debtors prison.”

The Founding Fathers shot people who felt that way. They were right to do so.

L


33 posted on 12/09/2017 9:43:26 AM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: morphing libertarian
2 officers controlling 100 inmates doesn’t just happen by magic.

Understood, I was on the other side of the wall catching the mutts in my youth.

34 posted on 12/09/2017 9:45:00 AM PST by eldoradude (Keep calm...we'll get to the carrion part later.)
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To: x1stcav

Don’t get put in there. And don’t tell me they are all innocent, they aren’t.

rwood


35 posted on 12/09/2017 9:47:21 AM PST by Redwood71
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Bet he has been a thug since middle school and didn’t bother to finish high school. Not to worry. His single mother was on government gravy train for him and all his half brothers and sisters. He has made every bad decision that landed him in a Louisiana prison. And his girlfriend does not have the sense of a goose. These two should not have sex. They should be sterilized before they make babies for the taxpayers to feed, medicate, educate, and incarcerate.


36 posted on 12/09/2017 9:56:49 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Redwood71
Don’t get put in there. And don’t tell me they are all innocent, they aren’t.

But surely some of them are.

It would be wise to never give the benefit of doubt to our nation's system of criminal justice. For every Duke lacrosse player whose families were able to afford the best lawyer money can buy, there are others whose families weren't.

37 posted on 12/09/2017 9:56:51 AM PST by Drew68
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To: ryderann

These phones will be snuck out and Chrishon will be showing Cell block C all of Tiffany’s, uh, attributes.


38 posted on 12/09/2017 9:59:05 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Lurker
The Founding Fathers shot people who felt that way. They were right to do so.

And they were quite right in the severity of punishments in those days, as well.

But we don't have those punishments any longer, do we?

39 posted on 12/09/2017 10:00:46 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Bikkuri

Most can’t or don’t want to be rehabilitated. Pervs can’t be, period. If there was such a thing as rehabilitation, criminals wouldn’t have such long rap sheets.


40 posted on 12/09/2017 10:02:35 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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