Posted on 02/03/2018 6:41:41 AM PST by Wolfie
The Truth About The Nunes Memo
Let's boil the Nunes memo down for all of you who are screaming for heads -- but newly, just today.
First, there's the fact that the "Steele Dossier" was critical to the granting of a FISA court warrant. The memo makes clear that absent the Dossier there would have been no warrant as the court would have refused to grant it for lack of evidence, no spying on the Trump campaign and no grounds for the current Mueller investigation.
Now that wouldn't by itself be enough to toss every single individual involved in the clink except for the following, which turns the above into a serious criminal felony that reaches everyone involved including quite-probably then-President Obama himself:
You see, the memo also documents that the FBI intentionally concealed the source and nature of the "Steele Dossier", including who paid for it, from the FISA Court Judges. The DOJ officials knew the Steele Dossier was paid for by Democrats and intentionally failed to include that in both the original warrant and three renewals aimed at Carter Page. Worse, the FBI had terminated Steele as an FBI source for unauthorized disclosures to the media months prior -- and didn't disclose that to the court either! In short despite the DOJ and FBI knowing that Steele had a personal animus against Donald Trump's campaign, was financially motivated by the Democrats who were paying him, and in addition had been disqualified as an FBI source due to prior personal misconduct they intentionally concealed all three facts from the FISA court not just once -- but four times in total.
This standing alone is a crime; it constitutes not only obstruction of justice but also perjury, and is further a fraud upon the court.
Attorneys and others presenting documentary evidence to a court have a duty before their client under the law. Their first duty is to the integrity of the process itself. It is a specific offense to fail to uphold that responsibility.
That, we now know, appears to have happened in this case.
But this case is not the first time. In fact it has been the very process and procedure of not only the FBI and NSA in multiple cases, thousands of them yearly, but it is also the case that this is extraordinarily common in state and local investigations.
In 2013 I wrote on a case in a nearby county to where I live, in which the Sheriff's Office intentionally concealed how they obtained the information necessary to get a warrant, which led to an arrest for someone who had (and presumably was or was intending to sell) a large amount of marijuana. The reason they concealed how they came by the information is that they knew they had broken the law and had they disclosed this fact their case would have instantly collapsed. It was only through diligent work by the defense that the ruse was uncovered. The accused walked as we have at least one honest Judge in the local area who refused to give aid and comfort to criminal violations of the Constitution by the cops.
This is not a singular case. In fact it's utterly common for law enforcement at all levels to do exactly this sort of thing -- use an unlawful means to develop a case and then lie, generating a "parallel excuse" that leads them to the arrest. This is not just an offense against the Constitution it is felony perjury as well when they lie in their pleadings and presentations to the courts of this nation. While this act is most-common in drug cases it's hardly confined there. All of this is illegal and yet not one cop has gone to prison -- although a few defendants that uncovered it before sentencing or appeal have had their convictions tossed.
The root problem is that you, America, will not get off your ass. Where was the demand for everyone involved in that crap in 2013 to be fired and prosecuted? It's not like I didn't report on that case or try to bury it, you know. Nor was I the only one -- a local paper ran the story as well and thousands of subscribers read the article.
Suddenly you're outraged that this very same thing was done to a Presidential candidate.
These events happened because you failed to get out your pitchforks, torches and a demand for criminal prosecution and disbandment of all agencies involved in the thousands upon thousands of similar cases aimed at other people over the previous few decades.
It's certainly true that you don't want 100 kilos of heroin flooding your town. But when you get down to it the process exists to conduct surveillance and obtain warrants legally for a reason -- it prevents perversions of justice and rank abuse exactly as appears happened in this case. The law forbids intentional concealment as occurred here for that exact reason and it is the American public's refusal to call for prison terms and instant disbandment of all state, local and federal law enforcement agencies that have intentionally, wantonly and with complete disregard for the law engaged in such practices that led to this abuse.
If you are only upset about this because you like Trump then you're no better than they are, in that you're perfectly ok with so-called "law enforcement" committing felonies so long as "the right people" are arrested, charged and prosecuted.
Then there's Ari Fleischer, who says "that's not the FBI I know":
" Based on my one and only experience with McCabe, it proved to me that he has a “circle the wagons and protect James Comey at all costs” approach that is inconsistent with the type of behavior our nation should expect from a man who, at the time, was leading the FBI.
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The FBI I know is better than this."
No it's not. In fact Ari Fleischer, who was the Press Secretary for George W. Bush, did this exact sort of corrupt thing dozens of times both during his tenure and both before and after. Ari knows this -- factually.
The events that led to the Nunes memo would have never occurred had the public risen up a decade or more ago and demanded that this crap not only stop but also that the people doing it go to prison on pain of all of them, and their families, being unable to buy a gallon of gasoline, a single banana to eat or even manage to walk down the street without having the public at-large spit on their shoes and fly the bird in their faces.
Let me know when your attitude changes and you're willing to make that demand and back it up until every single one of these people are sitting in prison and their salaries, pensions and benefits are forfeit with said agencies shut down.
But what is still missing from the answers from FReepers is what specifically is the next step in this process?
So we get more memos or releases of information. So what?
If there is not a process to identify, investigate, obtain evidence, charge, try and convict these people, nothing will happen, like nothing always happens.
So my serious question is still, what happens next to achieve the goal of fixing this broke DOJ and FBI?
Who are the adults in charge who will follow-though on this information from the memo and future releases? How will the process pan out?
Anybody out there have a serious answer to this question?
The more that I read, the more I’m convinced that the 4 FISA warrants could not have been accomplished without the collusion of the FISA judge(s). Think about that for a minute.
I note a parallel to his story from the ‘13 drug bust and today: NO prosecution (noted) of the LAW-BREAKERS.
I’m afraid we’ll see more “He quit\was fired” and that’ll be the end of the that.
You see some of that here.
At the very least he (they) was not the least bit curious about the evidence, such as "media reports", presented.
With Title 1 warrants against him, Carter Page would have to have had deadly serious proof against him that he was a “foreign spy”. No way the FISA judge(s) would have let that slip by. There was no serious proof. What, that the FBI told Page in 2013 that the Russians were trying to recruit him? Why would they have told Page had he been a no-kidding suspect? They would have let that one play out. No, there was no proof against Page. A trip to Moscow is hardly a crime. Unless your name is Ted Kennedy.....
You speak of only four.
How many other warrants did the judge grant against other Republican Presidential candidates?
Where are the warrants for the Bush, Cruz, Rubio and Paul campaigns? The warrants last for 90 days so they are in the dark history of early 2016 or late 2015.
without the collusion of the FISA judges...
I agree.
You go before a judge with a yarn about prostitutes urinating on a bed and expect them to authorize surveillance of a presidential candidate?
First attempt seems to have been laughed out of court.
It’s the subsequent efforts that were given credence before the court.
Was the same info presented to the court due to the rotating nature of the judges on the FISA court?
Could the FBI/DOJ been aware of a more sympathetic justice on the court?
I don’t trust ANYTHING emanating from an Obama appointed judge...
That will give you a good understanding of all the current investigations.
This will roll out over several months. Congress takes it sweet, deliberate time, as does the IG. It is like peeling an onion, only this one has layers of rot and stink in it. It is a messy job.
This is a war that will play out through the midterms. Everything now is positioning for November. It is always that way after Jan 1 of election years.
Trump,unfortunately screwed the pooch with his appointments at DoJ. Ultimately these are the folks that have to bring indictments. The current crop of appointees will never do that and until Mueller is defused Trump is stymied on replacing and correcting his mistakes.
Things could have rolled differently, but too late. The dems last hope is that Mueller will muddy the wants and keep things going for them.
They have successfully dumbed down the American electorate so well that at least half of the electorate can’t understand why what the FBI and DOJ did was so insidious. That’s why no pitchforks, they have lost the understanding and desire for freedom and liberty.
The Democrats are wound up because the Memo’s origin — the House Intelligence Chair — makes it newsworthy and forces the Media to write about it. This exposes the rest of America to information that the Media had been refusing to report up until now. Think of the Memo as a wedge being driven between the Siamese Twins that are the DNC and the MSM.
I have never been able to give Denninger’s outrage during the Obama years and after since he voted for Obama in 2008 and publicly supported him. Anyone halfway informed and smart knew then as we know now that Obama was a truly committed communist with muslim leanings and would attempt to destroy this country. So his insights are forever tainted for me.
Yes, you really have to hand it to those crack FISA judges.
What’s that, you say FBI? You have a yahoo news article?
Hell, that’s good enough for me, where’s my rubber stamp?
I was trying to remember who the chick was that was telling the reporter on live TV how they were trying to spread all the “intel” they were gathering, and hoping that it would be preserved and used against Trump. When did she say that?
. . . with the caveat that we have to, unfortunately, make allowances for the fact that Obama did in fact peacefully abdicate when Trump was inaugurated.Just as Jimmy Carter was in the wrong to hang Iran’s Shah out to dry. Even if he didn’t like him, failing to at least give him sanctuary set the precedent that the US was untrustworthy.
No, no, no, no, no.
Reply from the Intelligence Committee: "Maybe."
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This assumption made on the part of Nunes assumes something not in evidence. How many FISA requests have ever been denied?
I'd say you see a lot of it. I've seen countless posts blaming this all on Obama's corruption of the FBI and similar crap. The facts are that the FBI (and all the other three-letter agencies IMO) had long been weaponised the people, and in support of what is now called "deep state", but I'd refer to as 'transnationals' that go way back to the 20s. This corruption didn't happen in 8 years. Or 10 years, or even 20. It's been around for most if not all of the last century. The government is effectively a criminal organization that is by, of, and for itself alone. Trying to lay all the blame on some two-bit huckster of uncertain parentage is just wishful thinking.
Excellent. Too funny.
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