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Why Is the GOP Terrified of Tariffs?
Townhall.com ^ | March 6, 2018 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 03/06/2018 7:48:47 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: spokeshave
Who cares...The Norks are in Talks

More Bigly Trumpian WINS.

21 posted on 03/06/2018 8:28:35 AM PST by spokeshave (FBI = Feral Bureau of Insurrection)
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To: Kaslin
"Why, then, this terror of tariffs that grips the GOP?"

The only thing to do is answer that question with a question, "What GOP ?"

The last time there was a glimmer of hope of actually having two parties in this country rather than two arms of one Swamp party was when Americans gave the GOP a shot due to the Contract With America masterminded by Newt Gingrich.

Democrats came up with their usual lies about Newt and the so called members of the GOP fell all over one another to shed Newt because the democrats with Clinton in the lead showed them the GOP could control and become the biggest beneficiaries from the free flowing corruption of hookers, kiddies, dope, and cash which had been controlled by democrats up to that time.

So the Republicans couldn't resist eating the forbidden fruit any more than the democrats had thus ending what had been, barely, a two party system leaving We The People with the current Globalist Uniparty running the show.

JMHo

22 posted on 03/06/2018 8:31:59 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: odawg
Buchanan is correct; he has always been correct on trade and culture.

Unfortunately for him, his credibility took a huge hit when he ran for president back in 1992.

He was running around campaigning on a promise to protect American industries ... while driving around in a Mercedes-Benz.

23 posted on 03/06/2018 8:34:40 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Mariner
Yet, the Free Traders argue as if their viewpoint is PROVEN.

Free traders base their "proof" on idealized models that don't reflect reality. They go back to variations on Ricardo's concept of comparative advantage as their evidence. On paper, it makes sense, if country A is better at producing X and country B is better at producing Y, why not have such a division of labor? The problem with this simple model is that it assumes that capital of country A and B remains in its respective country so that each goes on producing what they're most efficient at. What it doesn't consider is a scenario where cheap labor or other low overhead costs leads to a large-scale flow of capital from A to B, so that B winds up producing both X and Y while A is left with a service/finance sector economy and little else.

Free trade advocates also consistently ignore any and all empirical evidence from history that contradicts their models. They claim that tariffs and trade protection lead to economic stagnation. OK, that's a valid hypothesis, so let's test it against reality: the US economy was "protectionist" for much of the 19th Century, precisely the time during which we experienced the fastest relative growth in GDP in our history, and the time where we overtook the UK and the rest of Europe as the world's manufacturing superpower. So much for tariffs and trade protection leading to stagnation.

24 posted on 03/06/2018 8:36:52 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: Kaslin

As every other country has proven, we don’t have to look favorably on goods coming in from other countries. We have every right to support our own industries.


25 posted on 03/06/2018 8:39:30 AM PST by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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To: Williams

We sure do.


26 posted on 03/06/2018 8:40:16 AM PST by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero)
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To: ek_hornbeck
I think "free trade" is great in theory when geography and climate are the driving forces of comparative advantages, but it falls apart when you're dealing in advanced processes like manufacturing and information technology that be done almost anywhere in the world.

The IT side of this is often overlooked in free trade discussions. It's one thing to impose tariffs on manufactured products and raw materials, but it's damn near impossible to do anything to restrict the flow of information through electronic means.

27 posted on 03/06/2018 8:43:40 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Wilderness Conservative

The GOP is afraid of everything.

Government shutdowns
Not being liked by the media
Deportations
Obamacare repeal
Won’t prosecute anyone in the Obama admin because they’re afraid it will look political
Afraid Democrats will call them mean
etc.
etc.
etc.
All they do is run scared


28 posted on 03/06/2018 8:44:31 AM PST by sheana
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To: Alberta's Child
I think "free trade" is great in theory when geography and climate are the driving forces of comparative advantages, but it falls apart when you're dealing in advanced processes like manufacturing and information technology that be done almost anywhere in the world. The IT side of this is often overlooked in free trade discussions. It's one thing to impose tariffs on manufactured products and raw materials, but it's damn near impossible to do anything to restrict the flow of information through electronic means.

"Comparative advantage" today is being driven by the fact that developing countries don't incur the overhead production costs that developed countries do.

The most obvious examples of this are labor forces that operate in slave-like conditions (and sometimes outright forced labor), as well as the fact that industry in developing countries doesn't have to worry about containing their industrial waste (unlike us, Chinese industries just dump their toxic waste raw into rivers or onto the ground). Furthermore, the industries in many developing economies are state-subsidized. As a result, their steel and aluminum mills can afford to overproduce at cost or even at a loss thanks to government funding, and then dump that metal onto us to undermine US domestic production.

29 posted on 03/06/2018 8:52:25 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: sheana
The GOP is afraid of everything.

Republicans used to be skeptical of free trade, open borders, and nation-building foreign policy. Now they're trying their hardest to outdo the Democrats on all of the above.

30 posted on 03/06/2018 8:54:23 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: Kaslin

The reason the GOP fears tariffs is that the Great Depression was blamed, probably falsely, on the Hawley-Smoot Tariff of 1930. Jack French Kemp was always pounding on that idea to show why he opposed taxes. Now we remember Kemp too for constantly referring to “my friend Al Gore” in their little 1996 “debate.”


31 posted on 03/06/2018 8:56:26 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Kaslin

Why we need our own steel industry kept healthy:

https://qanonposts.com/images/0d688fb6941033c3ba9e2b5a0241be38126373145b4784c157bcf72c38d152ec.png

Article from Reuters today—Kobe Steel-Japan- has been falsifying specs for almost 50 years.


32 posted on 03/06/2018 8:58:07 AM PST by exit82 (The opposition has already been Trumped!)
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To: Kaslin

To me, a tariff is a risk well worth taking.


33 posted on 03/06/2018 8:58:56 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Kaslin

“From Lincoln to William McKinley to Theodore Roosevelt, and from Warren Harding through Calvin Coolidge, the Republican Party erected the most awesome manufacturing machine the world had ever seen. “

Oh, I see Pat is just giving the Obama version of “you didn’t build that”. Sorry to tell you Pat but the Republican Party didn’t build anything. These were the predecessor to the Country Club Republicans.

The US is still the world’s manufacturing powerhouse:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-manufacturing-dead-output-has-doubled-in-three-decades-2016-03-28

Only China exceeds the US total output but only then at 1/3 the per capita output.

Low taxes, cheap energy, and minimal regulation are the only things US manufacturers need. Republicans do not need to build or protect. They just need to get out of the way.


34 posted on 03/06/2018 8:59:59 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: ek_hornbeck
Most of your points are correct. I'm not sure a "state-subsidized" industry has any real competitive advantage when you look at it from a macroeconomic perspective. I'm not sure it works in China's favor if their own taxpayers are forced to subsidize the production of cheap products that they can't even afford to buy themselves.

Is Boeing "state-subsidized" if they generate a lot of their revenue from U.S. defense contracts that aren't open to foreign bidders?

35 posted on 03/06/2018 9:00:36 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Kaslin

Why Is the GOP Terrified of Tariffs?
Because of the 1929 and onward depression. Mostly caused by FDR in the later years but it did not help there was the Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act

From the link below: The consensus view among economists and economic historians is that the passage of the Smoot–Hawley Tariff exacerbated the Great Depression,[16] although there is disagreement as to how much. In the popular view, the Smoot–Hawley Tariff was a leading cause of the depression
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act


36 posted on 03/06/2018 9:00:48 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Kaslin

Because it’s a tax increase on most consumers and will probably cost more jobs than it saves or creates. That’s why the GOP is afraid of tariffs.


37 posted on 03/06/2018 9:01:10 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Kaslin

A trade war is not to be feared, bought fought to win.


38 posted on 03/06/2018 9:01:31 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Alberta's Child
Most of your points are correct. I'm not sure a "state-subsidized" industry has any real competitive advantage when you look at it from a macroeconomic perspective.

No, but a state-subsidized industry does enjoy a trade advantage, at least in a short-term. If a state-subsidized company can produce at cost or at a loss while being propped up by the government, it can undersell foreign competition. The advantage is political and strategic as much as it is economic.

Sometimes the overproduction gambit works, sometimes it fails. The Saudis tried flooding the oil market to put US frackers out of business, in the long run their overproduction hurt their economy more than it did ours.

39 posted on 03/06/2018 9:04:53 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck; Alberta's Child

“and then dump that metal onto us to undermine US domestic production. “

Let’s not forget the advantage of currency pegging and devaluation.

As an example, China keep their currency pegged to the dollar at a rate that is estimated to be 35-40% below what it would be if it was free floating.

That’s a HUGE artificial advantage.

So, we have Comparative Advantage, Absolute Advantage and Artificial Advantage...something the classical economists never even considered. In their era, gold and silver were absolutes.

We again find ourselves in a Mercantilist world, with every country seeking advantage over the other. And ALL seeking the largest and richest market in the world.

And the USA has unilaterally disarmed while being picked clean.

It’s the largest transfer of capital stock in the history of man, and committed Free Traders refuse to see it.


40 posted on 03/06/2018 9:05:13 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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