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Despite Concerns, Census Will Ask Respondents if They Are U.S. Citizens
New York Times ^ | March 26, 2018 | EMILY BAUMGAERTNER

Posted on 03/27/2018 7:08:20 AM PDT by reaganaut1

WASHINGTON — The 2020 census will ask respondents whether they are United States citizens, the Commerce Department announced Monday night, agreeing to a Trump administration request with highly charged political and social implications that many officials feared would result in a substantial undercount.

In a statement released Monday, the Commerce Department, which oversees the Census Bureau, said Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross had “determined that reinstatement of a citizenship question on the 2020 decennial census questionnaire is necessary to provide complete and accurate census block level data,” allowing the department to accurately measure the portion of the population eligible to vote.

But his decision immediately invited a legal challenge: Xavier Becerra, California’s attorney general, plans to sue the Trump administration over the decision, a spokeswoman for Mr. Becerra said late Monday.

Critics of the change and experts in the Census Bureau itself have said that, amid a fiery immigration debate, the inclusion of a citizenship question could prompt immigrants who are in the country illegally not to respond. That would result in a severe undercount of the population — and, in turn, faulty data for government agencies and outside groups that rely on the census. The effects would also bleed into the redistricting of the House and state legislatures in the next decade.

The Justice Department had requested the change in December, arguing that asking participants about their citizenship status in the decennial census would help enforce Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act, which aims to prevent voting rights violations.

“The Justice Department is committed to free and fair elections for all Americans, and has sought reinstatement of the citizenship question on the census to fulfill that commitment,” a Justice Department spokesman, Devin M. O’Malley, told The New York Times in February.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: census
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Good. It seems like a normal question to ask, and it was asked in every census through 1950.
1 posted on 03/27/2018 7:08:20 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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Why would it be a ‘concern’ to ask someone if he’s a citizen?


2 posted on 03/27/2018 7:10:14 AM PDT by LydiaLong
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To: reaganaut1

As usual, they’ll be told to lie about citizenship.


3 posted on 03/27/2018 7:11:40 AM PDT by rivercat
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To: reaganaut1

I did not know the question had been removed. When? and why??


4 posted on 03/27/2018 7:12:00 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: reaganaut1

Good. Wanna bet the leftist America-haters sue?
And don’t ask if m*slim! (They planned to disguise it by asking about “Middle Eastern.”)


5 posted on 03/27/2018 7:12:02 AM PDT by I want the USA back (*slam is not a religion. It is a political movement to establish a religion.)
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I saw this on the news this morning. The Dems are saying this will cause under-representation. I guess I shouldn’t be shocked from the party that’s running on the “we’re going to raise your taxes” platform.
6 posted on 03/27/2018 7:12:42 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: reaganaut1

How does the US Constitution word the requirement for census?


7 posted on 03/27/2018 7:14:06 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: LydiaLong

Perfectly valid question that hasn’t been asked for 67 years.

One concern is what use is it?

Does anyone believe that illegals or legal aliens are all going to give an honest answer?

If it is in their interest (voting, staying here) they will say “YES I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN”.


8 posted on 03/27/2018 7:14:39 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: reaganaut1

The conerns no doubt being illegal aliens will be scared off from participating in the census, thus causing liberal states to lose population needed for maximizing their aportionment of the loot collected by the feds.


9 posted on 03/27/2018 7:14:39 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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I guess it would concern blue states with heavy illegal alien populations who could stand to lose federal funding for all those illegal aliens who supposedly don’t cost any federal money.


10 posted on 03/27/2018 7:16:28 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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But I was told illegal aliens don’t cost any federal money?


11 posted on 03/27/2018 7:17:13 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: reaganaut1

The 2010 long form census asks about citizenship in question 13.
https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/d-61b.pdf

It also asks many other questions which are far more trivial but personal.


12 posted on 03/27/2018 7:18:51 AM PDT by posterchild
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To: RJS1950

It is illegal to knowingly and willfully make any false statement to the US government agency/officer. 18 U.S.C. § 1001, is very broad and can apply to any form you sign and submit to the US government.


13 posted on 03/27/2018 7:19:14 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: rivercat

Some of these liberal idiots will reply they are citizens of the world. What dos the enumerator do with that?


14 posted on 03/27/2018 7:21:43 AM PDT by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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Is there a legal standard for truthfulness when a person responds to the census questionnaire?

Match the response, site address, voting records, USDA Snap, and outstanding warrants....Bingo! A short list for ICE.


15 posted on 03/27/2018 7:22:54 AM PDT by ptsal ( Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - M. Twain)
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To: posterchild

Long form Question 17 asks if the person can dress or bathe themselves. - won’t that cause an undercount?


16 posted on 03/27/2018 7:24:21 AM PDT by posterchild
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To: reaganaut1

To all of us Americans who care, yes it seems like a normal question. To those Americans who want to be feudal lords over vast peasantry.. How dare you ask that?


17 posted on 03/27/2018 7:25:35 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: posterchild

The Census 2010 Didn’t Use a Long Form
Fastforward to the Census 2010. The decennial Census 2010 only collected basic demographic information (just like the Census 2000 Short Form). The Census Bureau did not include a Long Form Questionnaire in the 2010 Census. Here’s a copy of the 2010 Census Form. You can see that the Census 2010 Form is much more like the Census 2000 Short Form than like the Census 2000 Long Form. In fact, the Census 2010 Form is one of the shortest Census forms in history.


18 posted on 03/27/2018 7:26:23 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: posterchild

The long form was never used in 2010.


19 posted on 03/27/2018 7:27:07 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: I want the USA back
The Brits/BBC likes to NewSpeak their little issues.

Anyone from the east of the Sirkeci railway station in Istanbul is simply labeled "Asian". That covers everyone from the Golden Horn to Hong Kong, and East of Suez...

20 posted on 03/27/2018 7:27:22 AM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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