Posted on 03/27/2018 9:34:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
At the risk of boring you, gentle reader, I find it necessary to revisit, for the third time in a week, the 1989 U.S. Supreme Court decision in Graham v. Connor, which defined how all courts (and everyone else) should evaluate a police officers use of force.
The reasonableness of a particular use of force, wrote Chief Justice Rehnquist for a unanimous Court, must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight. ... The calculus of reasonableness must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments -- in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving -- about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation. Its important to note that Graham arose from an incident in which police used force on a man who had not committed a crime, but whose behavior gave officers a reasonable suspicion that he had.
Which brings us to Sacramento, Calif., and the case of 22-year-old Stephon Clark, who was shot to death by two police officers in circumstances that were in every way tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving. On the night of March 18, two officers from the Sacramento Police Department responded to a radio call regarding a man who was seen breaking car windows in the citys Meadowview neighborhood. The officers, each driving a marked police car and both in uniform, were on foot and checking the area when deputies overhead in a Sacramento County Sheriffs Department helicopter directed them to a possible suspect, later identified as Clark.
Clark was seen running through a backyard and jumping over a fence, then looking into a car parked in the driveway of what was later revealed to be his grandmothers house, where Clark himself lived. The events that followed were captured on the two officers body-worn cameras and by the infrared camera in the helicopter. The Washington Post edited the videos and the accompanying audio, putting them together in a concise presentation that can be seen here.
As shown in the videos, an officer approaches Clark and at gunpoint orders him to show me your hands. Clark flees, running toward the backyard. The officer follows, soon joined by the second officer. Clark is ordered to stop, but instead he runs around the corner of the house and out of the officers view. The officers round the corner, then quickly retreat as one of them shouts, Show me your hands! Gun!
Both officers peek around the corner, at which time one of them shouts, Show me your hands! followed immediately by Gun, gun, gun! Both officers open fire, killing Clark.
It was later found that Clark, who was black, was carrying a cellphone, not a gun. His death has sparked protests in Sacramento, where demonstrators have shut down a freeway, blocked streets, and prevented ticketholders from entering the Golden 1 Center, where the Sacramento Kings and the Atlanta Hawks played before half-empty stands.
Not in New Jersey! Even possessing anything capable of applying deadly force outside of your home is forbidden unless you beg leave of the state. And the request is almost always denied.
Megan, these were not regular citizens, they were two uniformed Police Officers, on duty, and called to apprehend a felon.
You are wrong, go do something that you are good at doing, make baby number 7, and please STFU about some thing of which you know nothing, police doing their DUTY.
I think your point is well taken. However, a non-uniformed, untrained, unsworn private citizen pursuing and accidentally shooting and killing a suspected criminal probably should expect to be charged.
Well, fleeing from a “regular citizen” isn’t a felony.
STFU?
Really????
“The officers, each driving a marked police car and both in uniform, were on foot...”
Ummm...what?
>>I wish every commenter on these kinds of posts would go through a Shoot-Dont Shoot drill and see for themselves how hard it is to make a split second decision when their life is on the line.
I did in 1992. Man with a knife vs me with a revolver. Apparently my thought processes run much faster than those of cops. Everyone survived that encounter.
But please dont insult our intelligence by claiming that we wouldnt be defending our freedom in court if we shot a guy with a cell phone in his hand and then claimed that we feared for our lives. Even if we shouted gun over and over again to CYA.
Hell yes. Really.
Before we had Police Unions, Cops were held to the same standards as civilians, You shoot an unarmed person and you go to Jail. It was Standard Procedure to immediately terminate and Prosecute for involuntary manslaughter for ANY Cop that shot an Unarmed Person.
50 years ago, BOTH Cops would be FIRED AND IN JAIL!!!
I do NOT believe in “special rights” for anyone, why do so many people believe in “special rights”???
I wouldn't mind if they applied the same standards to the common citizens as they do these animals that are apparently more equal than others.
Was 22-year-old Stephon Clark ACTUALLY the person who was breaking car windows? I cannot tell from what I have been reading. I have seen on internet that these two officers are 33 and making $133,000 per year. Might be true?
In my experience, they almost always have a vested interest in it.
Fleeing from a police officer is not a capital offense.
Make me.
But its okay for the cops to do it.
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Well, you have twisted and re-stated the facts currently in evidence to make them inaccurate and hypothetical. You have outed yourself as one who is unable to think logically in this matter.
On the other hand, society is now safer with this criminal dead.
Although I oppose police brutality for my people (the law-abiding), I support the extralegal killing of criminals by police.
We need it to suppress the violence and irrational savagery of the underclass.
If the police murder criminals, and that results in increased safety for my family, I approve.
Maybe some day when the criminal underclass starts to behave, I will think different.
PS: I caught a guy about to break into my truck last weekend at 4am. My heart is hardened.
Its ok to many here....always has been
There is more than one type of conservatism
Liberty loving
Fix the State
Its always been like that honestly
I bet you like Lee Marvin
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