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USA Today: Guns Used In Texas Shooting Were ‘Less Lethal’ Than Other Shootings
dailycaller.com ^ | 5/19/2018 | Scott Morefield

Posted on 05/19/2018 11:14:23 AM PDT by rktman

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Pump shotguns have been used by the US military for more than 100 years. 00 buckshot is .330 caliber. There are 9 (nine) x .330 caliber pellets in each 00 shotgun round. Most AR-15s fire a .223 caliber round. When it enters anything, it will create a smaller diameter hole.

When shotguns were used by US soldiers in trench warfare during WW1, the Germans formally protested, saying that their use in war violated the Hague convention. (The Hague said that it didn't.)

A shotgun is not at all "less lethal". It depends on the intended use and distance from the intended target.

How do people get paid to write this nonsense?

21 posted on 05/19/2018 11:34:29 AM PDT by Sooth2222 (Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.")
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To: rktman

USA Today: Body Count Matters.


22 posted on 05/19/2018 11:34:34 AM PDT by windsorknot
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Less lethal?

Are the victims less dead?


23 posted on 05/19/2018 11:36:22 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Illegals Voted Republican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall !")
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To: Bryanw92

In a close quarters setting ( like school classrooms), I would think a tactical shotgun would have the edge over a AR.

You can get the capacity to 12 rounds by using 2”, 2 1/4” or 2 1/2” shells. 12 rounds of 00 buck would clear the room without reloading.


24 posted on 05/19/2018 11:38:50 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals can kiss my bitter clingers!)
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To: Sooth2222

“I pledge to stretch the truth, alter the truth and flat out not tell the truth so help me Hillary”. Reporters oath.


25 posted on 05/19/2018 11:38:51 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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It's not about the type of weapon. It's about how did this kid get into the school with a long gun.

Where are his parents?

26 posted on 05/19/2018 11:40:53 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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At least 10 people may disagree with the USA Today headline that the guns were less lethal — except that they are dead.

Maybe, because one of the weapons was a handgun, the bullets did not travel as fast [re: one newie comment on the Parkland shooting that handgun bullets travel slower than rifle bullets].

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It boggles the mind what Leftist brains can conjure up.


27 posted on 05/19/2018 11:41:59 AM PDT by TomGuy
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R ?


28 posted on 05/19/2018 11:42:40 AM PDT by skimbell
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Well slow if you can run at 1,300 fps and the bullet is at 1,200 fps.


29 posted on 05/19/2018 11:45:42 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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>>In a close quarters setting ( like school classrooms), I would think a tactical shotgun would have the edge over a AR.

I agree. Especially in a roomful of terrified non-combatants who would give time to reload because everyone is taught that fighting is bad.


30 posted on 05/19/2018 11:46:18 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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Dead is dead, lethal is lethal. A person is not MORE dead than another, nor is one gun more lethal than another.


31 posted on 05/19/2018 11:51:17 AM PDT by madison10
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Less lethal? Ten killed and 10 wounded despite prompt police response seems pretty darn lethal to me. The cop onsite got there quick enough to be wounded by the bad kid and follow on cops came in soon thereafter. The shotgun and .38 revolver were as deadly as the press’s favorite bad semi-auto rifles and pistols.


32 posted on 05/19/2018 11:51:49 AM PDT by RicocheT (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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The problem is not guns. It’s society.

When I was a kid guns were everywhere, and much easier to obtain. Yet the concept of mass killing, with the rare example of say, Charles Whitman in the UT Tower, was otherwise virtually unknown. Now it seems there’s a mass killing every week, and even every day!

Since those early days of the 50s & 60s, education, mass media, Hollywood, advertising, etc., have changed America in so many ways it is not the country it was then, no less that which came out of the Revolution and the Constitution.

There’s more people, and a concomitant rise of the overall mentally incompetent and unsocialized evildoers in our midst. But the availability of guns is NOT the reason. It is society itself.

“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.” —G.K. Chesterton


33 posted on 05/19/2018 11:52:47 AM PDT by onedoug
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And, there are a lot more guns out here now than in the 50’s and 60’s. There were always rifles in unlocked trucks at my high school in Abq. Nobody had one stolen and no one got shot.


34 posted on 05/19/2018 11:59:37 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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Wow. Just. Wow.


35 posted on 05/19/2018 12:02:26 PM PDT by ealgeone
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And, there are a lot more guns out here now than in the 50’s and 60’s. There were always rifles in unlocked trucks at my high school in Abq. Nobody had one stolen and no one got shot.

The difference is that when we were in school, people who were crazy enough to present a danger to themselves and to other were locked up. And treated.

Now they are free-range. And untreated.

36 posted on 05/19/2018 12:04:38 PM PDT by Sooth2222 (Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.")
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You wouldn’t even have to reload, you’re going to take out 2-3 with each shot when they a clustered in the corner.


37 posted on 05/19/2018 12:07:55 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals can kiss my bitter clingers!)
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Even though an AR wasn’t used, they can’t resist mentioning it.


38 posted on 05/19/2018 12:09:16 PM PDT by fruser1
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The ‘best’ part is that at the ranges inside a school, a shotgun is actually the more effective or by these idiots’ terms ‘lethal’ weapon.


39 posted on 05/19/2018 12:11:48 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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And, some of us managed to remain undetected. 😹
40 posted on 05/19/2018 12:11:59 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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