Posted on 06/26/2018 6:13:36 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
If you believe that you are created in God’s image the universe is all yours.
Likely to grow into as the eons roll by. Earth will become nicely populated and we will then advance to other planets He has prepared for us to settle onto. All life will be exported from here to those other planets. We will travel in space "arks".
Isaiah 51:16 - And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.
Actually, that is incorrect. The “probabilities” outstrip the number of theoretical atoms in the universe.
“You can see quasars 13 billion miles away.”
They are a LOT further away than that. Believe me you would NOT want to be 13 billion miles from a quasar!!! ;)
As a nanotechnology researcher, I’d say he’s got much more insight on what it takes to make a self-replicating mechanism than you do to question him.
Why do you think God didn’t create the other worlds and the beings inhabiting them? The universe is enormous and we are now rapidly discovering far away planets. Remember when scientists argued that planets were rare?
God didn’t need to create a universe filled with billions of galaxies, each will billions of planets, just so we could look up at the sky and find nothing much else.
Where in the Bible did God promise us that we were the only ones? I think there are some old testament passages referring to God filling other worlds with angels.
Also, we know God created the heavens and the Earth. He created man and woman. In essence God created life, but I’m not sure the Bible says that he created all life everywhere in one shot, or that he created a universe in which life will not arise from his original creation.
The earth is not even remotely the center of the universe God created.
As a final thought, true God created earth and man, and even life here. But aside from the direct intervention of Jesus and occasional miracles, God has allowed things to develop in intricate ways on earth for thousands of years.
Why do you think God has not likewise breathed the spark of life elsewhere, and allowed that life to develop, for good and for bad, as we have seen it developing here on earth.
I’m pretty sure God didn’t approve of the Nazis but we had them and still have some. Why do we presume God has not allowed the inhabitants circling Alpha Centauri to also have free will?
He set his creation loose here why does anyone doubt he did the same elsewhere?
Yah, I posted this to FR a number of years ago. Planets are not formed by the accretion of a disk of rubble surrounding a sun. They are electrically ejected from the hearts of stars and are not that common in the size and distances from their sun as old uncle Carl Sagan would have us believe. The philosophical implications of this hypothesis are staggering.
I think Pluto is like 7 + billion miles away at it’s most distant.
I read a sci-fi story where we were finally visited by aliens. And they were like ‘you thought quasars were naturally occurring—and came up with all this crap physics to explain it?!! They were artificially created beacons, you dolts!’
Freegards
I believe that’s his point. It’s pretty fanciful to be so sure about life elsewhere, which this thread admirably demonstrates, when you only have one datum.
So any sentient beings in other worlds anywhere in the universe must have been created by the same God who paid a disproportionate amount of attention to creating our world and its beings.
By all means! Get to building!
I think that the big variable in the Fermi / Drake analyses is time. The amount of time that we have produced anything observable to any other civilization is MAYBE 100 years, and our electromagnetic footprint may actually be getting smaller as communication goes from analog to digital and from long wave to very short waves. And, how long has it been since the last above ground A-bomb test?
Worse, there is a component in many of these types of equations that posits that any being that progress enough to be observable is necessarily descended from aggressive predators. So, the number of years that have gone by between us fighting with muscle-propelled sharp and blunt instruments to having the capability to destroy ourselves has been less than a millennium, still a blink of an eye in cosmological time. Some have theorized that any predator-based species will eventually and certainly acquire the means to destroy itself (which ours probably will). So, TWO civilizations existing at the same very short timeframe capable of observing each other would be almost impossible.
OTOH life has been discovered in the strangest, most inhospitable places on Earth; some of it doesn’t even depend on solar power like we do (those creatures that hang around smoker vents in the deep ocean are actually “powered” by the nuclear energy and heat of the Earth’s core).
So, I believe that life is probably fairly common in the Universe - but “intelligent*” life may be rare and fleeting.
*If we are so darned intelligent, why will we probably eventually destroy ourselves?
If you think about the number of things that had to go just right at just the right time it is remarkable that we are here. Our moon alone is a billion to one, and that is only one thing that had to happen.
Nevertheless, what we know about “life” from the engineering standpoint is rather impressive.
No OTHER intelligent life out there?
Hell. I'd be happy if we found intelligent life HERE.
“Or the drive to explore and expand could be exceedingly rare. Hard for us to imagine, but who knows. Or every thinking race falls into a virtual reality hole when they achieve the technology to simulate reality at some level. They might not even have to perfectly simulate it—50% reality simmulation might be good enough as long as nothing bad ever occurs it or something.”
Unfortunately, not hard to imagine. It may already be happening. How much human capital has been blown on writing and playing video games? :) More than was spent in sending men to the moon, you can bet.
The person who posted this hasn’t yet deigned to further inform us of their thoughts on the matter, as far as I can see. Kinda lame. Unless he is the author of this scientific paper or something?
Freegards
I think about 13+ billion with Hubble. Web should be able to look a little farther if it makes it.
There’s only one God.
You do realize that signals we have sent out (Aricebo being the main one) haven’t even made it out of our arm of the galaxy yet? And wasn’t it SETI or some group that said any signals we have sent would have been reduced to background radiation levels around four light years out?
Also, assuming lightspeed is the fastest one can go, it would take a crazy long time to develop that technology, and as long to manage to send out signals (physical or EM) to a significant part of a galaxy. And then tens of thousands of light-years to the nearest galaxies to ours. The sheer distance makes any kind of expansion or contact very unlikely unless faster-than-light travel is possible.
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