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Hanson: Beware of Media Spin about Khashoggi; We Need to Make Decisions on KSA Soberly
Security Studies Group ^ | November 18, 2018 | Security Studies Group (SSG)

Posted on 11/20/2018 3:46:01 PM PST by Texas Fossil

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To: PGR88

factions of DC?

Yep.


21 posted on 11/20/2018 6:08:05 PM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil

I don’t trust the IC.

These agencies need to be purged of all Bush/Clinton/W/Obama hires. Every last one of them.


22 posted on 11/20/2018 6:53:31 PM PST by SirLurkedalot (10/10/51-7/7/16 RIP Dad, I'll be missing you until I cross over to Eternity)
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To: Flintlock

I think it was one of those “honor” killings. Their allowed


23 posted on 11/20/2018 7:24:08 PM PST by Soros Billions (Gore is a pussy, Hillary : There's a man for ya)
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To: Texas Fossil
Erdogan is a putz, but so is MbS. I'm pretty sure that he hamfistedly ordered Khashoggi to be killed in this way (complete with "Breaking bad" style dissolving the body

A pox on both their houses.

24 posted on 11/21/2018 2:37:40 AM PST by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Texas Fossil
Trump won't fail, no matter what happened to MbS and the Sauds

But I want to see Saudia destroyed. It is the font of evil around the world.

25 posted on 11/21/2018 2:39:03 AM PST by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

It is an evil that has a number of heads.

I can’t see what part MBS is playing, but that will probably become apparent.

My view is that we have an obligation to Israel and her allies. Which I think are our natural allies.

The public in the US, has been conditioned by the Media, Academia and the political forces. It is asleep, oblivious to most of this discussion. But what we discuss is very real. It makes no difference that some don’t understand or accept this. It simply is.

We should try to explain this to those who can “get it”, many cannot yet. At some point it will be clear to many more.


26 posted on 11/21/2018 3:10:15 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Cronos

I’m not sure he did. Khashoggi was connected with al Talal. He was outwardly supportive of the MB.

Turkey and Saudi Arabia have a long history of battle for power in the Middle East. At one point the leader of Saudi Arabia (Abdullah bin Saud) was captured (1818), brought to Istanbul and beheaded (outside the Hagia Sophia).

The Long Struggle for Supremacy in the Muslim World

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-long-struggle-for-supremacy-in-the-muslim-world-1540572987 (pay walled)

(https://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2018/Oct/160847/the_long_struggle_for_supremacy_in_the_muslim_world.aspx)

FR Comments: https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3700498/posts


27 posted on 11/21/2018 3:35:49 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil

We have an obligation to protect Israel. But that doesn’t mean we should not include safety for the Christians in Syria and Iraq who we have abandoned.


28 posted on 11/21/2018 6:05:00 AM PST by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

I agree, but I do not accept that we have abandoned the Christians in Iraq and Syria. VP Pence has been very vocal about that.

The issues in Iraq are different than in Syria.

In Iraq, most of the Chaldean’s have been forced to immigrate to the West where possible. I’ve been told that some of Muslims there have converted to Christianity and replace some of those who left. It is very hard to do that.

In Syria, the number of Christian converts are increasing. The significance of that has been downplayed publicly because of the danger. Syriac’s there have been active participants in the YPG/YPJ and later in the SDF. They have fought well in battle. And many of them have died in battle. I’ve had some contact with MFS forces in SDF.

If we can freeze and overcome Turkey’s ambitions, there is a lot of promise in N. Syria. Things have certainly changed since ISIS was shut down. There is still a small but significant pocket of ISIS on Eastern Border of Syria and the one Turkey transplanted to Efrin (Afrin).

There is the issue of Church structure in the ME. Most of the old ones were top down, not what I grew up with which is locally controlled. The top down structure has always negotiated with the central government and the results of that are mixed.


29 posted on 11/21/2018 7:08:48 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil
I do -- and this is before Trump (bush and obama)

Many of the Iraqi christians fled to Syria, which is why the number of christians there is increasing. Coupled to that is the FACT that Assad protected and protects Christians

That's another of my bugbears, instead of supporting Assad obama went to support the jihadis

We should set up a a Christian lebanon, Christian southern Syria, Alawite coastal syria, Kurdistan and renewed Assyria.

30 posted on 11/21/2018 7:28:07 AM PST by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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Many of the Iraqi christians fled to Syria, which is why the number of christians there is increasing.

It is more than that. Conversions are taking places. Some would have long ago, but for fear of laws against it. Efrin had more than one Christian Church. Kobani has one. Many communities further East are majority.

31 posted on 11/21/2018 8:15:26 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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