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1 posted on 02/18/2019 5:58:21 PM PST by Hojczyk
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Although I've never seen any of the walls/fences on our southern border (the closest I've ever been to the border is Dallas,Phoenix and Long Beach) I *have* seen the Berlin Wall...up close.

I clearly saw the guard tower on the East Berlin side with the machine guns also clearly visible.

I'd bet the clothes on my back that the two walls have absolutely *nothing* in common.

28 posted on 02/18/2019 6:21:18 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Mitt Romney: Bringing Massachusetts Values To The Great State Of Utah.)
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She is an idiot and every day spouts some nonsense. Is this truly this stupid or is it to divert us?

Berlin wall was to keep people from LEAVING. Our wall is meant for protection, to keep out undesirables and invaders. Anybody can leave the USA.

30 posted on 02/18/2019 6:24:03 PM PST by Jane Austen (Neo-cons are liberal Democrats who love illegal aliens and war.)
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Oh, the ponies are really flying off Alexandria’s merry go round, now.


31 posted on 02/18/2019 6:24:09 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Good Lord, she’s an idiot!


32 posted on 02/18/2019 6:24:46 PM PST by LIConFem (I will no longer accept the things I cannot change. it's time to change the things I cannot accept.)
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Uh ... no ... it’s nothing like the Berlin Wall. Go back to school, freshman.


33 posted on 02/18/2019 6:25:49 PM PST by al_c (https://conventionofstates.com)
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I was once represented by Ted Kennedy. I never imagined my fellow citizens would be represented by the likes of AOC, Tlaib, and Omar or whoever they are.


34 posted on 02/18/2019 6:26:15 PM PST by posterchild
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AOC is a true ignoramus. Berlin wall was built to KEEP PEOPLE IN. Trump’s Wall is for making it difficult for illegals to simply walk in over the southern border.


35 posted on 02/18/2019 6:26:15 PM PST by entropy12 (Legal immigrants under chain migration not any better than illegal immigrants! Merit ONLY!!)
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Cerebral Kotex just blew a fuse in her few undamaged brain cells.

The Berlin Wall was a communist/socialist act of savagery to keep the poor people in East Germany from escaping to the west for freedom and liberty.

East Germans of all ages were killed or imprisoned for trying to escape the tyranny of East Berlin.


37 posted on 02/18/2019 6:26:58 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stop Medieval Diseases With A Medieval Wall: Illegal migration is leading to a wave of outbreaks!!!!)
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Olive Oyl trusts Bluto to respect her boundaries.
39 posted on 02/18/2019 6:27:25 PM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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Uh....just no words. Where to begin??


45 posted on 02/18/2019 6:29:03 PM PST by alabama_heart
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I once got to see a section of the wall and no man’s land that divided the two Germanys. What occurred to me as I looked at it, that the wall wasn’t there to keep NATO out. It couldn’t. That wall was there to serve a different purpose: to keep East Germany’s citizens in.

Paging AOC: There are two kinds of walls, sweetie. Walls to keep people in. Walls to keep people out. Your leftist East German brethren had the former. Trump’s is the latter.


49 posted on 02/18/2019 6:30:41 PM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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AOC's abomination of a mouth is just like the Mouth Of Sauron.


50 posted on 02/18/2019 6:30:49 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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What would this idiot know about the Berlin Wall. It was gone when her mother spawned her. She needs to stop making a fool of herself. She knows nothing about American history or the Berlin Wall. The Berlin Wall was put up to keep people in. Like a prison. Our wall is intended to keep unauthorized people out like the walls around all sporting and entertainment venues in the country. You can’t just walk into Disneyland or Yankee Stadium can you? What a moron. Get somebody to read you a book princess. You might learn something.


51 posted on 02/18/2019 6:31:56 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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God damn it, I wish she would just STFU. I have never developed this much contempt for someone in such a short time. Why, it took months to despise Hillary. Boxcar Barbie the Bartending Bug-eyed Bolshevik Bitch has achieved that in weeks.


52 posted on 02/18/2019 6:32:20 PM PST by JusPasenThru (Progressives need to get over their love affair with abortion.)
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The historically, economically, and morally illiterate Absent Cortex strikes again!

I would pay money to see if she could, without assistance, answer even a handful of questions about WWII or the Berlin Wall.

There is a bit of irony though. The Berlin Wall was built to protect Communist totalitarianism.

Our fancy fence, if ever built, is being built to protect us from becoming a brutal communist totalitarian pawn on the global socialist chess board.

The Berlin Wall was built keep free people and free market from imploding the grip of the communist totalitarians. Our glorified fence would have been constructed to keep the communist totalitarians from being able to take us over!

In our case, the enemy has long been within, but it could not neutralize the voters of America fast enough for the global socialist agenda. So they employed a strategy to weaponize illegal aliens, to neutralize the vote, and at taxpayer expense! A real army, (albeit a mostly unaware pawn army), being paid from the public treasury, by treasonous politicians seeking permanent totalitarian control of a once free society, to destroy the once free host nation.

How is this not fundamentally treason?

It really is all about the purpose of the wall, and representative governance vs. left-wing authoritarian/totalitarian governance.

In this case, it may well be too late. We may well have allowed enough illegals in, to neutralize our votes and bankrupt everything in the near future, which is the death of liberty and America as we know it. Weaponizing illegal immigration, was the real goal of Ted Kennedy and the DNC, all along, even though there were token soundbites and false/failed votes for constituency theater.

As far as the usefulness of walls, if they are always bad and dangerous, we should take down all the walls around every prison around the world. All the fences around daycare centers and schools, and swimming pools that have been mandated as well.

Yah, Absent Cortex, that’s the ticket!


58 posted on 02/18/2019 6:40:18 PM PST by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!))
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So that this stupid communist can begin to understand:

If there is an analogy between erecting a wall along the southern border of the US and the Berlin wall, it is only from the perspective of those who approach it from the south.

The US border wall — to the socialist hellhole countries of Central and South America (economic and political systems that the A.O. Communist fully supports) — keeps the citizens from escaping those socialist hellhole countries...much as the Berlin wall kept people from fleeing the communist countries.

The Berlin wall to those on the ‘other’ side (that would be to the west for A.O. Communist) kept the freer side of Germany safe from the encroachment of the socialist hellhole to its east, much as the wall along the US southern border keeps America safe from the encroachment of the socialist hellhole to our south.


60 posted on 02/18/2019 6:42:15 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare to survive.)
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AOC’s fellow commies built the BW to keep the people in. She is dumb as a rock. Apology to rocks who, in these pc times, might be offended.


62 posted on 02/18/2019 6:47:48 PM PST by Long Jon No Silver
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Sure it is you filthy communist bitch. I was stationed behind the Berlin Wall for three years in the mid-late 60's. You are despicable. Get the hell out of here..you are in way over your head.

No. Name Date of birth Date of death Age Role Event details 1 Ida Siekmann [17][18][19][20] 23 August 1902 22 August 1961 58 Escapee Died from internal injuries after she jumped out the window of her apartment at Bernauer Straße 48. 2 Günter Litfin [48] 19 January 1937 24 August 1961 24 Escapee Shot in Humboldt Harbour 3 Roland Hoff [49] 19 March 1934 29 August 1961 27 Escapee Shot in the Teltow Canal 4 Rudolf Urban [50] 6 June 1914 17 September 1961 47 Escapee Fell while climbing out the window of his apartment at Bernauer Straße 1, and died of pneumonia in the Lazarus hospitala 5 Olga Segler [51] 31 July 1881 26 September 1961 80 Escapee Jumped from her home at Bernauer Straße 34 and died a day later from internal injuries 6 Bernd Lünser [52] 11 March 1939 4 October 1961 22 Escapee Fell from the roof at Bernauer Straße 44 while fighting with GDR border patrol 7 Udo Düllick [53] 8 March 1936 5 October 1961 25 Escapee Drowned in the Spree 8 Werner Probst [54] 18 June 1936 14 October 1961 25 Escapee Shot in the Spree 9 Lothar Lehmann [55] 28 January 1942 26 November 1961 19 Escapee Drowned in the Havel 10 Dieter Wohlfahrt [56] 27 May 1941 9 December 1961 20 Escapee Shot while helping others escape 11 Ingo Krüger [57] 31 January 1940 10 December 1961 21 Escapee Drowned in the Spree – defective diving equipment 12 Georg Feldhahn [58] 12 August 1941 19 December 1961 20 No intention Drowned in the Spree after desertion; body found on 11 March 1962 13 Dorit Schmiel [59] 25 April 1941 19 February 1962 20 Escapee Shot at Wilhelmsruher Damm at the sector border between Berlin-Pankow and Berlin-Reinickendorf 14 Heinz Jercha [60] 1 July 1937 27 March 1962 24 Helper of escapees Shot at Heidelberger Strasse 75 at the sector border between Berlin-Treptow and Berlin-Neukölln 15 Philipp Held [61] 2 May 1942 April 1962 19 Escapee Drowned in the Spree on or after 8 April; body found on 22 April 16 Klaus Brueske [62] 14 September 1938 18 April 1962 23 Escapee Suffocatedb 17 Peter Böhme [63] 17 August 1942 18 April 1962 19 Escapee Shot in a fire-fight 18 Jörgen Schmidtchen [64] 28 June 1941 18 April 1962 20 Guard Shot by escapee Peter Bohme at Gleisdreieck Griebnitzsee on the outer ring between Potsdam-Babelsberg and Berlin-Zehlendorf 19 Horst Frank [65] 7 May 1942 29 April 1962 19 Escapee Shot at the "Schönholz" garden settlement at the sector border between Berlin-Pankow and Berlin-Reinickendorf 20 Peter Göring [12][66] 28 December 1940 23 May 1962 21 Guard Shot; stray bullet from West Berlin police 21 Lutz Haberlandt [67] 29 April 1938 27 May 1962 24 Escapee Shot while attempting to escape on the sector border south of the Sandkrug Bridge, near the Charité on Alexander's shore 22 Axel Hannemann [68] 27 April 1945 5 June 1962 17 Escapee Shot in the Spree 23 Erna Kelm [69] 21 July 1908 11 June 1962 53 Escapee Drowned in the Havel 24 Wolfgang Glöde [70] 1 February 1949 11 June 1962 13 No intention Shot accidentally by a guard showing him his AK-47 25 Reinhold Huhn [71] 8 March 1942 18 June 1962 20 Guard Shot by escapees 26 Siegfried Noffke [72] 9 December 1939 28 June 1962 22 Escapee Shot as an escape helper at the sector border between the districts Mitte and Kreuzberg at Heinrich-Heine-Straße 49, after the local escape tunnel had been betrayed; died on the way to the East Berlin hospital 27 Peter Fechter [73] 14 January 1944 17 August 1962 18 Escapee Shot while attempting to escape in Berlin-Mitte, Zimmerstraße; Bleeding in the death strip before the eyes of a large West Berlin crowd 28 Hans-Dieter Wesa [74] 10 January 1943 23 August 1962 19 Escapee At the sector border in Gesundbrunnen at S-Bahn station Bornholmer Straße, he was shot at trying to escape and, when he was lying on the ground, shot from close range 29 Ernst Mundt [75] 2 December 1921 4 September 1962 40 Escapee Shot while attempting to escape at the sector border, at Sophienfriedhof, Bernauer Ecke Bergstraße 30 Günter Seling [76] 28 April 1940 30 September 1962 22 Guard In the service killed border guardsman; shot dead by a comrade on the southwestern outer ring, because according to different information either the submachine gun accidentally triggered or he was confused with a GDR refugee 31 Anton Walzer [77] 27 April 1902 8 October 1962 60 Escapee Shot while trying to escape at the sector border in the Spree near the Oberbaumbrücke 32 Horst Plischke [78] 12 July 1932 19 November 1962 30 Escapee Drowned in the Spree; body found on 10 March 1963 33 Otfried Reck [79] 14 December 1944 27 November 1962 17 Escapee After a foiled escape attempt on the run from the now pursuing Grenzer search party near the border shot 34 Günter Wiedenhöft [80] 14 February 1942 5 December 1962 20 Escapee Drowned 35 Hans Räwel [81] 11 December 1942 1 January 1963 20 Escapee Shot in the Spree 36 {{sortname[[Horst|Kutscher}} [82] 5 July 1931 15 January 1963 31 Escapee Shot 37 Peter Kreitlow [83] 15 January 1943 24 January 1963 20 Escapee Shot by Soviet troops 38 Wolf-Olaf Muszynski [84] 1 February 1947 February 1963/ March 1963 16 Escapee Drowned in the Spree 39 Peter Mädler [47] 10 July 1943 26 April 1963 19 Escapee Shot in the Teltow Canal 40 Siegfried Widera [85] 12 February 1941 8 September 1963 22 Guard Bludgeoned with a metal rod on 23 August 1963 41 Klaus Schröter [86] 21 February 1940 4 November 1963 23 Escapee Drowned in the Spree after being shot 42 Dietmar Schulz [87] 21 October 1939 25 November 1963 24 Escapee Hit by a train 43 Dieter Berger [88] 27 October 1939 13 December 1963 24 No intention Shot while drunkenly climbing the fence 44 Paul Schultz [89] 2 October 1945 25 December 1963 18 Escapee Shot 45 Walter Hayn [90] 31 January 1939 27 February 1964 25 Escapee Shot 46 Adolf Philipp [91] 13 August 1943 5 May 1964 20 No intention Shot after threatening the border guards with a gun 47 Walter Heike [92] 20 September 1934 22 June 1964 29 Escapee Shot 48 Norbert Wolscht [93] 27 October 1943 28 July 1964 20 Escapee Drowned in the Havel 49 Rainer Gneiser [94] 10 November 1944 28 July 1964 19 Escapee Drowned in the Havel 50 Hildegard Trabant [95] 12 June 1927 18 August 1964 37 Escapee Shot while running away from the wall after a failed escape attempt 51 Wernhard Mispelhorn [96] 10 November 1945 20 August 1964 18 Escapee Shot on 18 August 1964 52 Egon Schultz [97] 4 January 1943 5 October 1964 21 Guard Shot accidentally in a fire-fight 53 Hans-Joachim Wolf [98] 8 August 1944 26 November 1964 20 Escapee Shot 54 Joachim Mehr [99] 3 April 1945 3 December 1964 19 Escapee Shot 55 Unidentified man [100] Unknown 19 January 1965 Unknown Escapee Drowned in the Spree 56 Christian Buttkus [101] 21 February 1944 4 March 1965 21 Escapee Shot 57 Ulrich Krzemien [102] 13 September 1940 25 March 1965 24 West-East-Crossing Escaped 1962, drowned in the Spree while crossing to East Berlin 58 Hans-Peter Hauptmann [103] 20 March 1939 3 May 1965 26 No intention Shot on 25 April 1965 during an argument with border guards 59 Hermann Döbler [104] 28 October 1922 15 June 1965 42 No intention Shot after unintentionally piloting his boat too close to the border along the Teltow Canal 60 Klaus Kratzel [105] 3 March 1940 8 August 1965 25 Escapee Hit by a train 61 Klaus Garten [106] 19 July 1941 18 August 1965 24 Escapee Shot 62 Walter Kittel [107] 21 May 1942 18 October 1965 23 Escapee Shot after surrenderingc 63 Heinz Cyrus [108] 5 June 1936 11 November 1965 29 Escapee Fell from the fourth floor of a building he fled to 64 Heinz Sokolowski [109] 17 December 1917 25 November 1965 47 Escapee Shot 65 Erich Kühn [110] 27 February 1903 3 December 1965 62 Escapee Peritonitis after being shot 66 Heinz Schöneberger [111] 7 June 1938 26 December 1965 27 Escapee Shot 67 Dieter Brandes [112] 23 October 1946 11 January 1966 19 Escapee Circulatory failure after being shot on 9 June 1965 68 Willi Block [113] 5 June 1934 7 February 1966 31 Escapee Shot 69 Lothar Schleusener [114] 14 January 1953 14 March 1966 13 Escapee Shot 70 Jörg Hartmann [115] 27 October 1955 14 March 1966 10 Escapee Shot 71 Willi Marzahn [116] 3 June 1944 19 March 1966 21 Escapee Shot in a fire-fight, at the boundary around Kohlhasenbrück/Steinstücken. 72 Eberhard Schulz [117] 11 March 1946 30 March 1966 20 Escapee Shot between Kleinmachnow and Königs Wusterhausen; the co-refugee was even arrested. 73 Michael Kollenderd [45] 19 February 1945 25 April 1966 21 Escapee Shot by the NVA soldiers, Desertion attempt at the sector border in Johannisthal at the Teltowkanal; the shooters were acquitted by the reunified Germany, since desertion was a crime under the East German military law. 74 Paul Stretz [118] 28 February 1935 29 April 1966 31 No intention Shot while bathing in the Berlin-Spandau Ship Canal; had been drinking earlier in the evening 75 Eduard Wroblewski [119] 3 March 1933 26 July 1966 33 Escapee Shot while trying to escape (under alcohol) at the outer ring in Mahlow on the border to Lichtenrade near the former S-Bahn dam; He had managed to escape for the first time in 1952, but after nine months returned to the GDR 76 Heinz Schmidt [46] 26 October 1919 29 August 1966 46 No intention Shot while bathing in the Berlin-Spandau Ship Canal 77 Andreas Senk [120] 1960 13 September 1966 6 No intention Drowned in the Spreee 78 Karl-Heinz Kube [121] 10 April 1949 16 December 1966 17 Escapee Shot while trying to escape in Kleinmachnow near the Teltower harbor; the co-refugee was arrested 79 Max Sahmland [122] 28 March 1929 27 January 1967 37 Escapee Shot; body discovered on 8 March 1967 after the boundary in Teltowkanal at Berlin-Rudow, which is located near to Kanalstraße in Höhe der Firma Eternit. 80 Franciszek Piesik [123] 23 November 1942 17 October 1967 24 Escapee (Polish citizen) Drowned 81 Elke Weckeiser [124] 31 October 1945 18 February 1968 22 Escapee Shot on 18 February 1968 at Reichstag 82 Dieter Weckeiser [124] 15 February 1943 19 February 1968 25 Escapee Shot on 18 February 1968 attempting to escape with Elke Weckeiser on the sector border opposite the Reichstag building near the Kronprinzenbrücke, died on 19 February 1968; was in 1962 voluntarily entered the GDR with his first wife 83 Herbert Mende [125] 9 February 1939 10 March 1968 29 No intention Shot on 7 July 1962 under the consumption of alcohol by the Potsdam Police, which is controlled by the Glienicker Brücke.f 84 Bernd Lehmann [126] 31 July 1949 28 May 1968 18 Escapee Drowned in the Spree 85 Siegfried Krug [127] 22 July 1939 6 July 1968 28 No intention Living in West Germany, legal entry to East Berlin, shot while marching into the border zone and refused to stop 86 Horst Körner [128] 12 July 1947 15 November 1968 21 Escapee Shot at Klein-Glienicke/Schlosspark Babelsberg 87 Rolf Henniger [129] 30 November 1941 15 November 1968 26 Guard Shot by escapee Horst Körner at Klein-Glienicke/Schlosspark Babelsberg 88 Johannes Lange [130] 17 December 1940 9 April 1969 28 Escapee Shot near Adalbertstraße/Leuschnerdamm 89 Klaus-Jürgen Kluge [131] 25 July 1948 13 September 1969 21 Escapee Shot near Helmut-Just-Brücke 90 Leo Lis [132] 10 May 1924 20 September 1969 45 Escapee Shot near Nordbahnhof 91 Eckhard Wehage [133] 8 July 1948 10 March 1970 21 Escapee Began suicide after a failed attempt to flee the hijacking of an Interflug aircraft from East to West Berlin with his wife.g 92 Christel Wehage [133] 15 December 1946 10 March 1970 23 Escapee Began suicide after a failed attempt to flee the hijacking of an Interflug aircraft from East to West Berlin with her husband.g 93 Heinz Müller [134] 16 May 1943 19 June 1970 27 No intention West German, who was arrested for unknown reasons - possibly under the influence of alcohol - from the West German side in the barrier at the sector border in Berlin-Friedrichshain near the Schilling Bridge and shot there 94 Willi Born [135] 19 July 1950 7 July 1970 19 Escapee Suicide during failed escape attempt when he was put by border guards 95 Friedhelm Ehrlich [136] 11 July 1950 2 August 1970 20 No intention Called to the NVA and last serving in a border company, Ehrlich penetrated into the sector border area near the Leipziger Straße / Staerkstrasse at the outer ring in Glienicke / Nordbahn (circle Oranienburg) without alcohol and loud (inter alia loud whistling); was then asked, then faked a weapon and the border troops have called for shooting, whereupon a soldier shot him and u. a. met a leg main artery; First aid was not provided, Ehrlich bled to hospital after being admitted; Flight intent unclear 96 Gerald Thiem [137] 6 September 1928 7 August 1970 41 Unclear For reasons unknown, the border dries from West Berlin to East Berlin; was shot on the sector border between Neukölln and Treptow, Kiefholzstraße / Höhe Puderstraße, and died on the way to the East Berlin hospital 97 Helmut Kliem [138] 2 June 1939 13 November 1970 31 No intention Approached - involved in a conversation and under the influence of alcohol - accidentally a frontier plant on the outer ring in Falkensee, district Falkenhöh, near Pestalozzistraße, and was shot at removing the plant; his passenger was injured but not charged with illegal border crossing; Incident in the GDR as a (hushed) accident scored 98 Zock Hans-Joachim [139] 26 January 1940 November 1970 30 Escapee Drowned between 14 and 17 November 1970 in the Spree 99 Christian-Peter Friese [140] 5 August 1948 25 December 1970 22 Escapee Shot while trying to escape at the sector border in Treptow, in the area Köllnische Heide / Dammweg 100 Rolf-Dieter Kabelitz [141] 23 June 1951 30 January 1971 19 Escapee Upon entering the border area on the outer ring between Bergfelde (circle Oranienburg) and Reinickendorf discovered on January 7 and shot back to GDR after the persecution and seriously injured; suffered from a spreading internal infection with fever bouts and disturbances of consciousness in the hospital; died on January 30, finally, of a pneumonia diagnosed on the morning of the day; Intentional escape likely, but contested in interrogations at the hospital. 101 Wolfgang Hoffmann [142] 1 September 1942 15 July 1971 28 West-east-crossing Escaped 1961, arrested on a border crossing point while asking for legal entry to East Berlin, then jumped out of a police station window 102 Werner Kühl [143] 10 January 1949 24 July 1971 22 West-east-crossing While attempting to secretly cross the border from West Berlin to East Berlin with a friend - presumably for the purpose of settling in the GDR - shot dead at the sector border in Treptow near the bridge Britzer Allee / Baumschulenweg; Friend was captured in the East and expelled to the West on August 30 103 Dieter Beilig [144] 5 September 1941 2 October 1971 30 West-east-crossing Shot; trying to escape through a window after being arrested at Berlin-Mitte, in Brandenburg Gate. 104 Horst Kullack [145] 20 November 1948 21 January 1972 23 Escapee Shot on 1 January 1972 at Lichtenrade 105 Manfred Weylandt [146] 12 July 1942 14 February 1972 29 Escapee Drowned in the Spree after being shot 106 Klaus Schulze [147] 13 October 1952 7 March 1972 19 Escapee Shot at Pestalozzistraße in Falkensee 107 Cengaver Katrancı [148] 1964 30 October 1972 8 No intention Drowned in the Spreee 108 Holger H. [149] 1971 22 January 1973 1 Escapee Suffocationh 109 Volker Frommann [150] 23 April 1944 5 March 1973 29 Escapee Jumped from a train on 1 March 1973 110 Horst Einsiedel [151] 8 February 1940 15 March 1973 33 Escapee Shot in the boundary area of Pankow 111 Manfred Gertzki [152] 17 May 1942 27 April 1973 30 Escapee Shot/drowned in the Spree 112 Siegfried Kroboth [153] 1968 14 May 1973 5 No intention Drowned in the Spreee 113 Burkhard Niering [154] 1 September 1950 5 January 1974 23 Escapee Shot while trying to cross Checkpoint Charlie with a hostage 114 Czesław Kukuczka [155] 23 July 1935 29 March 1974 39 Escapee (Polish citizen) Shot while attempting to flee East Berlin via the Friedrichstrasse train station. 115 Johannes Sprenger [156] 3 December 1905 10 May 1974 68 Suicidei Shot while entering the sector border area in Berlin-Altglienicke, near Hornkleepfad, between Treptow and Neukölln. The intention to flee is unlikely, as the retiree was allowed to tour West Germany legally and had already done so twice. He had health problems due to lung cancer (but he was not aware of the exact diagnosis). Because of this and his farewell words to his wife, the GDR and, after reunification also the Berlin district court during the "Mauerschützenprozesse", assumed suicide. 116 Giuseppe Savoca [157] 22 April 1968 15 June 1974 6 No intention Drowned in the Spree at Kreuzberg, West Berline 117 Herbert Halli [158] 24 November 1953 3 April 1975 21 Escapee Shot at the boundary border of Berlin-Mitte, Zimmer/Otto-Grotewohl-Straße. 118 Çetin Mert [159] 11 May 1970 11 May 1975 5 No intention Drowned in the Spree at Kreuzberg, West Berline 119 Herbert Kiebler [160] 24 March 1952 27 June 1975 23 Escapee Shot in Außenring in Mahlow, around the boundary of Lichtenrade, western part of the Fernstraße 96. 120 Lothar Hennig [161] 30 June 1954 5 November 1975 21 No intention Shot near to the border while running home 121 Dietmar Schwietzer [162] 21 February 1958 16 February 1977 18 Escapee Shot in Schönwalde, Berliner Allee 122 Henri Weise [163] 13 July 1954 May 1977 18 Escapee Drowned in the Spree; body found on 27 July 1977 123 Vladimir Odinzov [164] 1960 2 February 1979 22 Escapee (Soviet soldier) Shot on the village road in Seeburg at the outer ring between Seeburg (Kreis Potsdam) and Berlin-Spandau 124 Ulrich Steinhauer [165] 13 March 1956 4 November 1980 24 Guard Shot by a deserting colleague at Schönwalde/Kreis Nauen 125 Marienetta Jirkowsky [166] 25 August 1962 22 November 1980 18 Escapee Shot in Hohen Neuendorf, near the Invalidensiedlung/Florastraße; Two co-refugees managed to escape 126 Grohganz Peter [167] 25 September 1948 10 December 1980/ 9 February 1981 33 Escapee Shot in Premnitz 127 Johannes Muschol [168] 31 May 1949 16 March 1981 31 West-east-crossing Mentally disturbed, shot while crossing the wall from West Berlin to East Berlin 128 Hans-Jürgen Starrost [169] 24 June 1954 16 April 1981 26 Escapee Shot in Teltow-Sigridshorst 129 Thomas Taubmann [170] 22 July 1955 12 December 1981 26 Escapee Tried to escape with a train and crashed deadly when jumping from the train 130 Lothar Fritz Freie [171] 8 February 1955 6 June 1982 27 No intention Coming from West Berlin, shot while nightly wandering around in a confusing terrain at the border 131 Silvio Proksch [172] 3 March 1962 25 December 1983 21 Escapee Shot at the sector border in Pankow am Bürgerpark near the Leonhard-Frank-Strasse during a spontaneous escape attempt under considerable influence of alcohol 132 Michael Schmidt [173] 20 October 1964 1 December 1984 20 Escapee Shot in Pankow/Wollankstraße 133 Rainer Liebeke [174] 11 September 1951 3 September 1986 34 Escapee Drowned in the Sacrower See 134 Manfred Mäder [175] 23 August 1948 21 November 1986 38 Escapee Shot alongside René Groß in Treptow 135 René Groß [176] 1 May 1964 21 November 1986 22 Escapee Shot alongside Manfred Mäder in Treptow 136 Michael Bittner [177] 31 August 1961 24 November 1986 25 Escapee Shot in Glienicke/Nordbahn 137 Lutz Schmidt [178] 8 July 1962 12 February 1987 24 Escapee Shot in Treptow 138 Ingolf Diederichs [179] 13 April 1964 13 January 1989 24 Escapee Jumped from a train at Bösebrücke/Grenzübergangsstelle Bornholmer Straße 139 Chris Gueffroy [22][180] 21 June 1968 5 February 1989 20 Escapee Shot in Britz 140 Winfried Freudenberg [21][22] 29 August 1956 8 March 1989 32 Escapee Balloon crash

63 posted on 02/18/2019 6:48:09 PM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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Me, think she is not playing with a FULL DECK!


65 posted on 02/18/2019 6:49:50 PM PST by TrumpisRight
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Shows how ignorant the dumb slag is: Berlin Wall - keep slaves in, Trump Wall - keep the slaves out (For you Koch brothers).


67 posted on 02/18/2019 6:52:27 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Start using cash and checks or the elite class and bankers will make "cashless" the norm.)
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