John Moses Browning
Posted on 03/10/2019 7:12:48 PM PDT by Steve Schulin
[photo caption] M1A2 Abrams tanks and Bradley Fighting Vehicles converge on a smoke signal during a live-fire exercise at Grafenwoehr, Germany, in March. President Trump is pushing a plan that demands allies pick up the full cost of hosting U.S. troops in their countries, plus a 50 percent premium for American protection, according to a news report. [photo credit; MARTIN EGNASH/STARS AND STRIPES]
STUTTGART, Germany — President Donald Trump is pushing a plan that demands allies pick up the full cost of hosting U.S. troops in their countries, plus a 50 percent premium for the privilege of American protection, according to a news report.
Called “Cost Plus 50,” the plan would cost five or six times more for countries like Germany, Japan and South Korea, Bloomberg news reported Friday.
Trump has been championing the idea for months, Bloomberg reported, citing about a dozen unnamed administration officials. Trump even tested the idea during recent negotiations over a cost sharing agreement with South Korea, which was on the brink of collapse before a deal was finally reached in February.
“We want cost plus 50,” Trump demanded at one point during the talks, as quoted by the media organization.
While the U.S. eventually backed off the demand, the idea hasn’t gone away and could be used to pressure allies to increase their own defense budgets. For two years, Trump has railed against allies, especially in Europe, who Trump has described as security free riders unwilling to pay for their own defense.
[photo caption] A C-17 Globemaster III takes off from Spangdahlem Air Base, Germany. President Trump is pushing a plan that would demand allies like Germany and Japan pick up the full cost of hosting U.S. troops in their countries, plus a 50 percent premium for American protection, according to a news report. [photo credit: MICHAEL ABRAMS/STARS AND STRIPES]
It isn’t clear how close the Cost Plus 50 idea is to becoming official U.S. policy. Bloomberg reported that Trump’s advisers have pushed back against the idea. But the president’s interest in the proposal has nonetheless sent “shock waves through the departments of Defense and State,” it reported.
The plan would likely face fierce resistance from U.S. allies, especially Germany, which hosts about 32,000 American troops. Unlike South Korea, which relies on a large military presence as a line of protection against the north, the American forces in Germany don’t serve as territorial guardians.
While there were some 300,000 troops in Europe during the Cold War, there are about 70,000 in total on the Continent today. The contingent in Germany consists mostly of enabling forces and headquarters. The Army has just one infantry brigade in the country.
While allies like Japan see the U.S. military presence as a bulwark to an expansionist China, Germany generally doesn’t see an immediate threat to its own security. As such, Berlin is likely to balk at demands to pay all the costs for U.S. bases, which are widely viewed domestically as serving Washington’s foreign policy interests. For example, Ramstein Air Base — the largest in Germany — has been used as a vital staging post for the U.S. military interventions in Iraq and Libya, which Berlin either opposed or did not participate in.
And Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, the largest overseas military hospital in the world, is a stopping point for troops injured in Afghanistan and other missions abroad. It offers no direct benefit to Germany’s security. Similarly, Marines crisis response forces in Spain and Italy are tasked with protecting U.S. interests and diplomatic compounds in Africa on short notice rather than Europe’s territorial defense. It’s unclear whether Italy or Spain would feel obliged to pony up more for their presence.
Still, with a more assertive Russia, allies in Europe have been eager for more U.S. forces, especially along NATO’s eastern flank, which could give the Trump administration leverage. Poland has offered $2 billion to establish a permanent U.S. base in its country.
Germany spends about $1 billion or roughly 20 percent of the cost of hosting U.S. troops at various installations in the country, according to Rand Corporation data. But Germany’s payments for U.S. troops are almost entirely in kind — the provision of services or facilities.
Bloomberg reported the White House was also considering a measure to ease the financial burden — a discount for countries whose policies were in line with Washington’s.
That could be problematic for Germany, which has resisted demands from Trump to ramp up defense expenditures. By 2024, all NATO allies are expected to dedicate 2 percent of GDP to military matters. While the majority of alliance members are on track to reach the spending target, Berlin has balked at the idea and is expected to fall well short of the benchmark.
Their own fault.
Excellent. We finally are returning to a proper American foreign policy of isolationism. DJT is clearly moving to get us out of our entangling alliances while setting the stage so that the final decision will be made by the Europeans. I would have preferred just telling them that we are leaving and giving them a few years courtesy notice. But if Trump prefers this as some face saving maneuver, I’m fine with that.
Enough with being the world’s policeman. We can take care of ourselves. If Europe, Korea Japan and etc. can’t or won’t... well that’s their problem.
That means we can close all our military facilities there and bring everyone home permanently. Sounds like a good thing to me.
And put them on our southern border.
Yup, it is. Two generations of my family fought for Europe’s freedom in two world wars. I’m sick of belly aching, money grubbing America hating Western Europeans. Bring our people home.
That means we can close all our military facilities there and bring everyone home permanently. Sounds like a good thing to me.
After 70 years can we declare the end of WWII?
> What’s the point of troops in Germany?
“For when we inevitably need to use them against the Germans again”
Heh heh heh. Except that they won’t actually be German, of course.
“After 70 years can we declare the end of WWII?”
Except on paper, I’m not certain that WW I really ended.
Yep the Russians moved troops out of Germany in 1994. That’s 25 years ago.
Let’s send them a bill for every conflict we’ve ever helped or saved them from. going back to WWI I like the 50% idea for a profit. Maybe our military members could get a 5 or 10% pay raise when stationed in some of these places.
“Our primary value to Europe is the nuclear shield we provide them. We spent hundreds of billions to develop nuclear warfare tech and the 2% of GDP we are pressing them to contribute to NATO is chump change next to the value of the shield we provide. Trump would not be out of line telling the EU if they want to retain that protection the EU must pay the US directly 2% annually of their collective GDP to reimburse of for the cost.”
This.
“Moving Ramstein ain’t happening”
Clark AFB was closed and transferred to the Phillipines for a time. ... then Mt. Pinatubo blew in 1991 and ashed it pretty good, then later with the PRC Navy threatening international shipping the U.S. has been invited back to monitor the theater.
So closing (i.e.transferring) a major AFB isn’t exactly unheard of.
I have fun with asking this question:
“Who won World War II?”
I have to think about these countries forming massive armies...and shutting us out.
Re: “Our primary value to Europe is the nuclear shield we provide them.”
England and France have their own nuclear weapons.
They don’t need ours.
So closing (i.e.transferring) a major AFB isn’t exactly unheard of.
Has nothing to do with military issues. It’s a political statement. The NATO charade must be continued at all costs. Even if the Germans are deploying broomsticks because they didn’t have enough weapons and not deploying a single submarine because they where to cheap to buy spares.
No need. Germany is done.
Yes, but why just plus fifty?
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