Posted on 08/10/2019 4:10:13 AM PDT by Kaslin
When mom and pop’s values suck or are even warped, BAD things can happen.
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This is true. Yet:
what do you say when conservative parents who never once slacked off on their kids and blessed them with love, discipline,encouragement, a close extended family,examples of faith, frugality, humility, a religious education and examples of service wake up one day to a gay child and another child who who is too liberal to leave Seattle (Austin, Portland, wherever) and unable to commit to any other human being. The parents are shellshocked and blame themselves, but it is the culture.
Who do you blame when the conventional, hardworking,self-educated and successful parents who rarely even had ibuprofen in the house, are ground down by the child who cannot go a day without drugs, ends up hospitalized and in rehab? The parents are there with tough love and forgiveness, but by then, the child has a cascade of complications and interactions, ends up with a drug combo syndrome and is now disabled.
The accepted, supported,child of who would rather lie and hack their grades than apply their own well-nurtured gifts?
The child who would rather abuse toddlers than take a risk and face rejection from peers?
Some of these examples are current adult children of now elderly, conventional traditionalists. Some are memories from 60 years ago. Some are millennials.
Most of these examples I know from finding out about peers, way back in the conservative day. Some are current and include Gen-Xer children in their 40s & 50s. One is personal painful experience. One is totally true of 2 different families, neither of whom had anything wack in their lives, ever. All these children were blessed. One is even a staunch political conservative.
All of these parents fought the culture. In the end, the culture won. None of the examples turned into mass murderers. I believe that takes a confluence of events and influences and is more prevalent now, but just because they didn’t shoot up masses of people doesn’t mean they couldn’t have.
Video games? Violent, abusive music? Misplaced *love* and *support* from supposed mentors with their own agenda? Material temptation? You can find examples of good people with ruined children as far back as the Bible.
And what do you say to the children of parents who were cons, drunks, druggies, absent, unfaithful, demanding and manipulative who, none-the-less overcame a rotten hand to become fine human beings despite the same culture?
There are weak humans. There is a manipulative culture hell-bent on co-option and destruction for political ends. There are those exposed early to this rot who reject it and heal themselves enough to gain the strength to resist. Others just drown in the maelstrom.
There are millions of stories and it is always shocking when they involve the people who followed the old, foundational rules and still lost the fight. It’s been going on for millennia.
Don’t be so quick to blame what went on inside the house. Some call it Leviathan or Satan. I call it the culture and it is implacable.
So does diarrhea . . If it's running in your jeans.
Thank you for your explanation as I was confused. SHE is and always will be a GIRL.
Good post and I NEVER said I was quick to blame them.
In fact i chose my words carefully.
You are Underestimating the impact parents have.
This board can’t have it both ways.
Ad neither can you. I’m sorry.
I see your name.
Maybe you need a little more reforming :)
Have a great one
Perhaps this was an honor killing.
My first thought also.
. . . then they are not mom and pop values, strictly speaking. I know we're all on the same page here:
Mom and Pop values are from God's law. When people stray from that in extravagantly sick ways--ceasing even to be the "good enough" parents sufficient to produce a predictably sane child--they're writing their own crazy script. And it's the wrong one.
I’m also skeptical about “Splinter News”, but this was published by the NY Post. If reported accurately, their family is an absolute freak show.
...the impact parents have.
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I’m one of those who overcame BOTH familial mental illness and the culture of the 60s/70s. Of course parents have an impact. But it is the nature of people to rebel. Some survive the rebellion. Others keep going until the inevitable moment when they are simply out of options and succumb to whichever one they are currently within.
It’s often ‘both ways’. Wish it wasn’t. If there was a formula to guarantee the raising of a competent, contributing adult, it would work in all instances. But it doesn’t.
Some believe there are no gray areas, either. To them, everything is black or white (can I even say that today?)But black, in terms of pigment, is a combination of all colors and white is the absence of all color (altho it gets confusing because there is white pigment). It is different when discussing light. In both, there are gradations. Gradations overlap at the edges and create new colors, tones, shades.
Good people can have bad kids. Bad people can have good kids. Some can withstand the culture. Some cannot. Blame is often a function of frustration. It simplifies things.
Did he know he killed his sister?
“(albeit a girl with mental problems)”
You can include that apparently Natalie O’Neil and the New York Post editor have mental problems as well, as evidenced by the author Natalie calling the woman in the article “he” and the article being allowed to stand as such.
Learning his sister is a transgendered male may well be the trigger that set off the killing spree.
If I heard correctly in an interview, a friend of the family said that she had seen the shooter try to choke his brother/sister/whatever close to death. What finally stopped him was his mother talking him “down”.
Gives new definition to “dysfunctional family”.
I saw this several days ago and the info was said to emanate from a publication called the “Advocate’ - a homosexual advocacy journal.
I hope you forgot the "/s" tag...although it should be self evident to any normal human being.
Maybe she ran off with his girlfriend.
For almost 20 years, comments on my handle have been the refuge of those who want to shut me up. Not shutting up is how I left the Left.
I chose it because I believe that those of us who spent time on the old left have insights that those who didn’t could possibly use.
After over 76 years of life, I have experiences that inform my conclusions. Some of those experiences were within the workings of the group that spawned the present day progs. Trust me: all of us (and there are many here on FR)actually fought within the early D party and were on the front lines of the culture war.
Perhaps our experiences overcoming the inculcation could inform the myopia of those who didn’t.
Perhaps it is easier to characterize and dismiss.
YMMV
Homosexual instead of gay
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