It was all about this drunk chick getting drunk at a fraternity party. And then getting raped.
Except she was NOT raped.
Stanford Sex Assault Survivor Thinks Brock Turner Is in Denial, Doesn't 'Truly Understand' His Crime
Correct, however, drunkeness may cause sex that cannot be remembered to happen.
If I get stinkin, passed out drunk and end up driving into the ghetto where I am killed do I have some responsibility for my actions?
No I am not downplaying rape.
Sometimes getting raped is a consequence of getting drunk.
Don’t get drunk around strangers.
“And we have this really sick mindset in our culture, as if you deserve rape if you drink to excess.”
Well, there IS that pesky ‘Personal Responsibility’ stuff.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes! Stay SOBER and out of dangerous situations, ya dumb@ss.
That depends on what country you’re in.
She was unconscious. Witnessed by two rescuers and police and EMS.
Turner penetrated her with his hand, causing vaginal injuries.
That is rape, legally and morally.
There’s no excuse for a woman not being safe alone in a group of men after getting totally blitzed.
At the same time, that is one of a number of situations I would urge women I care about to avoid, in the interest of their own safety.
Women get irate when I urge them to avoid certain situations.
Okay, do what you want. Just don’t complain to the world after the fact.
Avoid situations that put you at risk. Some risks must be taken in life, but elevating your level of risk isn’t going to improve your chances of being safe.
She got drunk at a party and had sex while she was drunk?
>>>[Rape] is not a punishment for getting drunk . . .”
No, but it can be the result of some pretty stupid life decisions . . . such as getting drunk.
It shows pretty bad judgement, but there is no excuse for anyone to have sex with anyone who is unconscious regardless of the cause of unconsciousness. She was 21 at the time of the attack which is 2 years older than Turner. She was probably a Junior at the time it happened.
So she actually didn’t get raped? But she got ...what...abused somehow?
“There are young men, particularly young men of color, serving longer sentences for non-violent crimes, for having a teeny bit of marijuana in their pocket.”
No there isn’t liar.
Re “Rape is not a punishment for getting drunk.”
In a tough, uncaring world, maybe it is, in the sense that you’ve got to look out for yourself a little bit, because the person next to you might not.
Of course, morally, it’s not an appropriate punishment, it’s a crime of opporutnity. A more suitable punishment for getting drunk is a vomiting hangover and a splitting headache. And a more suitable punishment for the rapist should be greater than a 3-month sentence. Unless, he too was so drunk he didn’t know what he was doing, which I don’t buy.
Penetration while unable to give consent is rape. I’m not sure where you got your law degree, but you should ask for your money back.
The courts have now released 470 pages of documents.
Interesting reading.
There's about 30 Free Republic stories on this.
I never heard of it until now.
Many many FReepers believe this started out as consensual. But her drunkeness caught up with her and she passed out AFTER giving consent to sex.
Well, if he was convicted of 3 felonies he should probably get more than 3 months in county jail. Probably it means that the judge didn’t believe she was raped at all.
“...’Rape Is Not a Punishment for Getting Drunk’”
She must be living under Sharia law.
It’s not an ‘either/or’
A gal getting drunk at a frat party is inviting disaster.
*AND*
A male who has sex with a woman unable to consent deserves castration and crucifixion, be it via force, unconsciousness, or their being a young child