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Sophistry. I'll bet you will get a lot of coverage of Camden while "defund the police" is trending. Note:

So in 2012, officials voted to completely disband the department -- it was beyond reform.

Misleading. Read on:

And in 2013, the Camden County Police Department officially began its tenure.

No, the city police was replaced by the County Police. And CNN will not admit that part of the reason was to save money.

1 posted on 06/09/2020 8:06:24 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
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>No, the city police was replaced by the County Police. And CNN will not admit that part of the reason was to save money.

And 150 police were replaced by 400 police.


2 posted on 06/09/2020 8:09:23 AM PDT by struggle
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Bump


3 posted on 06/09/2020 8:11:57 AM PDT by lowbridge
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The left does not want to abolish the police. They want to OWN it.


4 posted on 06/09/2020 8:12:33 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (There's a stairway to heaven, but there's also a highway to hell.)
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No other city of Camden's size has done anything quite like it.

I am pretty sure Miami did this about 30+ years ago with the merger of the city police with the Dade County Police. There was a spiraling crime problem, the new Miami-Dade Police became much larger than the two previous departments. The rapid expansion brought many marginal types into the department. It was rough sledding for several years.

5 posted on 06/09/2020 8:13:27 AM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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Today it has nothing to do with finance, it only is about expanding democrat power.


6 posted on 06/09/2020 8:14:11 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan)
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This is pretty much true....it was the county sheriff and his deputies that took over much of the job.

We can admit....on the corruption level, the old police department probably was incapable of ever resolving the ‘mess’.


11 posted on 06/09/2020 8:19:44 AM PDT by pepsionice
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I have read about of a lot of towns that didn’t have police. When someone committed a heaneous crime they formed a posse and the perp was brought to justice at the short end of a rope. Is this what they are wanting?


13 posted on 06/09/2020 8:21:10 AM PDT by BobinIL
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So they just changed the name.


14 posted on 06/09/2020 8:25:09 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care! Guilting you is how they control you.)
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So it rehired over a quarter of it’s old force and I’m sure it was the ones who were the TOP MONEY MAKERS!!!


15 posted on 06/09/2020 8:27:46 AM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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In the late 1970s or early 1980s, Signal Hill disbanded its police department in the wake of the Ron Settles scandal. The family hired Johnny Cochran in a wrongful death lawsuit before he represented OJ. The city contracted the neighboring Long Beach police instead. Later I believe a new SH force was re established. The police never go away in these cases.


16 posted on 06/09/2020 8:27:47 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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Omitted was the fact that the county sheriff then took control and policed the city


17 posted on 06/09/2020 8:28:04 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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Also...

“...there were over 170 open-air drug markets reported in 2013...”

So, the bruthas dealing drugs said “We support the new police force.”, and closed up their drug-dealing markets? I don’t think so. They’re still there...just ignored for diversity or something..


18 posted on 06/09/2020 8:31:57 AM PDT by moovova
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And 100 officers were rehired it says.


19 posted on 06/09/2020 8:32:56 AM PDT by libertylover (Socialism will always look good to those who think they can get something for nothing.)
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And the entire thing is based one a huge lie.

More whites are shot by police than blacks, the ratio is nearly 2:1.

When a black suspect is shot by police, the officer is statistically more likely to be black than white.

In 99% of all encounters, no force is used by police.

When force *is* used, 98% of the time, no injuries are sustained by the suspect.

(The last two came from a peer reviewed trauma medicine journal. The rest have been empirically proven via peer reviewed studies)

If I didn’t have a migraine, I would dig out all of the links. The info is all available. For now.

**This is a huge and extremely dangerous hoax and grand corporate shakedown.**


20 posted on 06/09/2020 8:34:58 AM PDT by jazminerose (Vince Foster died of coronavirus.)
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I know it’s against the rules on FR but I read the entire article! ;)

Yes, Camden, NJ still has problems, but it’s much improved and I like the idea of them firing everyone and hiring back to good cops who WANT a safer city and shedding the problem cops.

Couldn’t hurt in some of our other USA Crime Hot Spots.

SOMETHING has to be done because wresting POWER away from Socialist Democrats is where the problem lies and they’d rather burn down their cities than give up that power.


24 posted on 06/09/2020 8:42:46 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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Camden New Jersey ran out of money for police. It is a hell hole of crime and squalor with no major business. Also a humongous food desert.

There are reports of crime going down lately, but that has to do with precipitously declining population.

If Minneapolis ends up like Camden that is not a win.

25 posted on 06/09/2020 8:42:50 AM PDT by Salman (If the Democrats can parlay this into a win in November, Charles Manson is finally vindicated.)
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What state? Missouri?


26 posted on 06/09/2020 8:45:51 AM PDT by Mercat
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Camden?
What state?
Incomprehensible if I don’t know where.


28 posted on 06/09/2020 8:46:09 AM PDT by mumblypeg
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They cite Deposit, N.Y. as a successful case of disbanding the P.D. How big is Deposit, N.Y.? We talk about doing the same thing here in Belvidere,N.J. (population 2850) We have 6-7 police and if we get rid of them we would pick up the N.J. State Police to patrol. Then we would have to pay the staties to watch our town. Net gain dollar wise, almost zero and less coverage to boot. But we have very little crime to begin with which I am sure is the case with the cited town. As an aside we have firearms behind more than half of the doors in our town. I am sure that it helps.


29 posted on 06/09/2020 8:49:45 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (4- Do something,,,,even if it's wrong.)
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It was even more than that. It was that the unionized police force had bloated salaries and benefits, and the city therefore couldn't afford to have enough police. So they went county, which was non-unionized. That enabled them to put more officers on the street.

That isn't conservative spin -- the NYT wrote about it way back in 2012.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/nyregion/overrun-by-crime-camden-trades-in-its-police-force.html

30 posted on 06/09/2020 8:50:09 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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