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Is a National Split Inevitable?
Townhall.com ^ | December 14, 2020 | Scott Morefield

Posted on 12/14/2020 5:37:04 AM PST by Kaslin

Is America “trending towards secession”? Conservative radio legend Rush Limbaugh got into some hot water last week for daring to attempt to answer that question. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you probably heard about it. From Media Matters to Geraldo Rivera to every left-of-center blue-check Twitter account, critics were basically accusing the legendary broadcaster of treason, even though he never explicitly endorsed the concept himself.

It’s a far cry from only four years ago, of course, when the “Calexit” movement made news as a novel concept put forth by lovable, if a bit rambunctious, leftists frustrated at the election of Donald Trump. Obviously, when a liberal wants to secede, it’s perhaps a bit misguided but understandable, but when a conservative even broaches the topic, it’s a treasonous reintroduction of slavery, or something.

The blatant media double-standard notwithstanding, what should we make of Limbaugh’s observations?

“I actually think that we’re trending toward secession,” Limbaugh said Wednesday, responding to a question from a listener about conservatives being able to win national elections after Trump. “I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York, especially if you’re talking about votes?”

“There cannot be a peaceful coexistence of two completely different theories of life, theories of government, theories of how we manage our affairs,” he continued. “We can’t be in this dire of a conflict without something giving somewhere along the way. I know that there’s a sizable and growing sentiment for people who believe that that is where we’re headed whether we want to or not.”

Limbaugh later in that particular monologue and also the next day made it abundantly clear that his preference is to “find a way to unite and win.” It’s certainly my preference too, but then again our generations and those before it grew up in an America where Manifest Destiny, the concept that the United States’ growth from the Atlantic to the Pacific was justified and inevitable, was praised in history class as a noble thing. I remember studying each acquisition, from the Louisiana Purchase to the Mexican Cession to the purchase of Alaska, as amazing, hard-fought, and even miraculous wins for the Good Guys. The left now views them as something else entirely, but I don’t care. The thought of ceding any of this land, won fair and square over many decades with the blood, sweat, and tears of our ancestors, to a bunch of godless communists hellbent on destroying everything they touch is anathema to every fiber of my being.

Even so, Limbaugh is obviously correct about the ongoing cultural divide. Many have argued that this country has been experiencing a bloodless “civil war” for years, one between producers and takers, between freedom-lovers and those who would invoke tyranny to accomplish their evil ends. The difference could not be more evidenced by the divide between the 75 million who voted for Trump versus the (allegedly) 80 million-plus who voted for Biden. On every major issue, from policing to tax policy to immigration to judicial activism to the Second Amendment to abortion to whether or not there are 16 genders, the difference is night and day. “How can these people be so ignorant?” each side asks while looking at the other side like they’ve got three eyes and two noses.

Several years ago, Dr. John Gottman proved unequivocally that one behavior had an astoundingly predictive effect on whether or not a marriage would last. That behavior is “contempt.”

“Contempt is fueled by long-simmering negative thoughts about one’s partner, and it arises in the form of an attack on someone’s sense of self,” Gottman writes. “Inevitably, contempt leads to more conflict—particularly dangerous and destructive forms of conflict—rather than to reconciliation. It’s virtually impossible to resolve a problem when your partner is getting the message that you’re disgusted with them and that you’re condescending and acting as their superior.”

Sound familiar? If "contempt" isn’t right smack dab in the middle of the ongoing political and cultural wars, I don’t know what is. All of which leaves two key questions: 1.) If America is already split apart ideologically, will geography eventually follow? And 2.) If a geographical split happens at some point, is it possible to do so peacefully?

In a section of his book titled, “American Secession: The Looming Threat of a National Breakup,” George Mason University School of Law professor F.H. Buckley argues that such a split could occur, constitutionally even, with no bloodshed at all.

“Instead of the Civil War, think of the ‘velvet divorce’ of the Czechs and Slovaks in 1993,” Buckley writes. “Distinct in religion, language and culture, they had been combined in a country created in 1918 after the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The Slovaks were conservative and agricultural while the Czechs liked avant-garde plays and rock music. Czechoslovakia suffered through Nazi and Soviet rule, and then split apart into Slovakia and the Czech Republic upon the fall of communism. The two new countries, both Western and liberal, solved questions about their border, the division of assets and assumption of public debt through negotiation, and they’ve since maintained the friendliest of relations.”

Buckley argues that since the stakes “have been lowered” significantly since the 1860s when secession meant the literal continued enslavement of millions, such a measure indeed could be a “reasonable way to resolve unbridgeable partisan differences.”

Expect more talk of secession coming from the right, especially if the radical socialists win those two Georgia Senate seats and go on to pack the courts, eliminate the filibuster, and jam through every leftist wet dream from defunding the police to the Green New Deal. Already, the chairman of the Texas Republican Party is on board, and a Twitter poll (real "science," I know) from conservative writer Matt Walsh with 52,000 respondents showed over 60 percent agreeing to “support a plan to break up the United States so that the Left and Right can live in separate countries.”

Now that they’ve won electorally, of course, the left stands firmly on the side of unity, at least for the time being. Such talk is “treason” now, don’t you know, not because they ever had any respect for America’s borders and the freedom residing therein, but because they need producers, taxpayers, serfs to work their newfound socialist utopia. You see, their vision of America is more Panem than City on a Hill, and it takes a whole lot of proletarians to keep the elites – of which they fully intend to be a part – fat, comfortable, and happy in their walled-off enclaves. No, it’s not like pre-1865 chattel slavery, but it’s servitude nonetheless, and it’s something the left is surely willing to go to war to keep. (And yes, I’m aware of all the levels of irony).

A national split in my lifetime would be an awful, painful thing to see, even if it happened without bloodshed. It would, however, be far preferable to living under a Democratic Socialist, one-party state. While most Americans right now truly aren’t wishing for any sort of hot OR cold civil war, national divorce, or even peaceful separation, it’s hard not to see something along those lines on the horizon if things keep going the way they’re going. Admitting this isn’t ‘treason,’ it’s reality.


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To: Kaslin
Is a National Split Inevitable?

Already happened.

61 posted on 12/14/2020 7:01:10 AM PST by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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To: DownInFlames

Why should they?

They have the whip hand now, and can make the rest of us bend to their will.

They can now force universal health care, abortions everywhere and no matter what stage of pregnancy, gay marriage and force gay respect, black lives matter over all other colors, defund police across the country, force white guilt seminars on us all, with forced public recitals of why we’re sorry from every white person, and welcome the entire Third World onto our shores.

No, I don’t think they’ll willingly give up that power.


62 posted on 12/14/2020 7:02:10 AM PST by Alas Babylon! ("You, the American people, are my only special interest." --President Donald J. Trump)
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To: cuban leaf; central_va

Split in two?

I suggest the split will be at least three. There can be no east coast/ west coast union.

Alaska and Hawaii will be separate as well.There is no guarantee of unity of the middle which might split.


63 posted on 12/14/2020 7:04:12 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) t Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay My, o. h, my, what a wonderful day)
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To: Kaslin
Is a National Split Inevitable?

Already happened.

64 posted on 12/14/2020 7:07:07 AM PST by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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To: bert

I suggest the split will be at least three. There can be no east coast/ west coast union.


That is how the Red center survives.

Alaska and Hawaii will be separate as well. There is no guarantee of unity of the middle which might split.


I agree about Hawaii but Alaska would join the Red center.
Also the red provinces of Canada may join our Red center. They are in the same boat.

We would start with a friendly divorce but I am sure they would go ballistic at which point the Red States shut down water, electricity, fuel and food. If they don’t surrender within a week only the uneaten would survive.


65 posted on 12/14/2020 7:20:45 AM PST by joegoeny ("Nuts!")
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To: Kaslin

DM Wozniak’s “The Perihelion” had a post-CW-2 America divided between Blue Core cities and the Redlands. The West Coast and some East Coast enclaves were like separate nations, linked by air and sealed rail to Blue Core cities in the heartland. Walls around the Blue Core cities with tight immigration control to keep undesirables out.


66 posted on 12/14/2020 7:24:02 AM PST by tbw2
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To: hopespringseternal

Let The Joker Go Wild
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2020/11/06/let-the-joker-go-wild/


67 posted on 12/14/2020 7:26:15 AM PST by tbw2
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To: DownInFlames

Not for another few years. They think they have somebody as whacky as they are in the WH and when Bitten resigns for whatever reason, they will.


68 posted on 12/14/2020 7:53:35 AM PST by L,TOWM (An upraised middle finger is my virtue signal.)
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To: ealgeone

You’d have to create City States like in Ancient Rome in order to divide the country peacefully.

As others have stated though, the Left will never allow for it. They want absolute control over everything.


69 posted on 12/14/2020 7:56:47 AM PST by comebacknewt (Trump trumps Hate)
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To: brownsfan

Schools have been gone since 1985, man. It’s why we home schooled. And then one out of two of my kids bathed in the kool-aid once she hit college. Still splashing in that blue pool...


70 posted on 12/14/2020 8:00:31 AM PST by L,TOWM (An upraised middle finger is my virtue signal.)
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To: comebacknewt

You’d have to create City States like in Ancient Rome in order to divide the country peacefully.

As others have stated though, the Left will never allow for it. They want absolute control over everything.


Since these cities are where their culture resides, treat it like an infection. Roadblocks, fencing and control what goes in and comes out.


72 posted on 12/14/2020 8:17:01 AM PST by joegoeny ("Nuts!")
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To: brownsfan

“I don’t believe it’s too late to fix the schools, but if it is, then it’s over.”

I’m sure it’s in their plan somewhere to abolish private schools and ban homeschooling. Then what’ll you do ?


73 posted on 12/14/2020 9:19:21 AM PST by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: joegoeny

“Roadblocks, fencing and control what goes in and comes out.”

Don’t allow anything in, and don’t allow anyone out who isn’t surrendering.


74 posted on 12/14/2020 9:20:39 AM PST by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: TigerLikesRoosterNew

And the time line for all this?


75 posted on 12/14/2020 9:34:41 AM PST by TangledUpInBlue
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To: Kaslin
“There cannot be a peaceful coexistence of two completely different theories of life, theories of government, theories of how we manage our affairs,” he continued. “We can’t be in this dire of a conflict without something giving somewhere along the way. I know that there’s a sizable and growing sentiment for people who believe that that is where we’re headed...

Now's the time to talk about it. Get our folks on board...

It's not really succession - it's peacefully dividing the country...

76 posted on 12/14/2020 9:47:50 AM PST by GOPJ (If China released a virus that killed ONLY gays, would PR FIRMS still place more Chinese in TV ads? )
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To: comebacknewt

The federal government has already shown what it will do to prevent the legal secession of parts of this country. Like the communists in Spain in 1936, they realize there is no point to governing cities filled with non-contributing “thinkers” if there is no food...


77 posted on 12/14/2020 9:58:04 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
No one wants an all out shooting war... we want to peacefully divide the country. There are irreconcilable differences and both sides know it.

Part of this effort will be explaining to the people of the left how much happier they would be without us.

Forinstnace; in PUS (Progressive United States):

1. they can confiscate ALL guns from people while the ink is drying on the agreement.

2. Allow abortion up until the day AFTER birth in case the kid's ugly...

3. Imprison citizen who say the wrong words - hate speech to the wrong pronouns...

4. Allow all people from 3rd world countries to walk across the border and become citizens instantly.

5. Provide free health care to all... even folks crossing the borders for the first time in an ambulance...

6 Allow the FBI and SPLC to merge creating an agency that ONLY goes after possible 'rightwingers'...

7. Require all citizens to wear masks even AFTER the pandemic is over...

AND #8 Have a $30 an hour minimum wage and free college for all.....

AND WE WOULD NOT BE IN THEIR COUNTRY TO STOP ANY OF IT. LEFT WINGERS COULD FINALLY LIVE IN THE PARADISE THEY'VE ALWAYS DREAMED OF...

78 posted on 12/14/2020 10:02:26 AM PST by GOPJ (If China released a virus that killed ONLY gays, would PR FIRMS still place more Chinese in TV ads? )
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To: Kaslin

We will not secede. We will become part of the final revived Roman Empire prophesied in Revelation13.


79 posted on 12/14/2020 11:22:09 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: ealgeone

You let each individual county decide which side they’re on. Revisit the vote every 10 years, like a hard census.


80 posted on 12/14/2020 11:26:18 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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