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Is a National Split Inevitable?
Townhall.com ^ | December 14, 2020 | Scott Morefield

Posted on 12/14/2020 5:37:04 AM PST by Kaslin

Is America “trending towards secession”? Conservative radio legend Rush Limbaugh got into some hot water last week for daring to attempt to answer that question. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you probably heard about it. From Media Matters to Geraldo Rivera to every left-of-center blue-check Twitter account, critics were basically accusing the legendary broadcaster of treason, even though he never explicitly endorsed the concept himself.

It’s a far cry from only four years ago, of course, when the “Calexit” movement made news as a novel concept put forth by lovable, if a bit rambunctious, leftists frustrated at the election of Donald Trump. Obviously, when a liberal wants to secede, it’s perhaps a bit misguided but understandable, but when a conservative even broaches the topic, it’s a treasonous reintroduction of slavery, or something.

The blatant media double-standard notwithstanding, what should we make of Limbaugh’s observations?

“I actually think that we’re trending toward secession,” Limbaugh said Wednesday, responding to a question from a listener about conservatives being able to win national elections after Trump. “I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York? What is there that makes us believe that there is enough of us there to even have a chance at winning New York, especially if you’re talking about votes?”

“There cannot be a peaceful coexistence of two completely different theories of life, theories of government, theories of how we manage our affairs,” he continued. “We can’t be in this dire of a conflict without something giving somewhere along the way. I know that there’s a sizable and growing sentiment for people who believe that that is where we’re headed whether we want to or not.”

Limbaugh later in that particular monologue and also the next day made it abundantly clear that his preference is to “find a way to unite and win.” It’s certainly my preference too, but then again our generations and those before it grew up in an America where Manifest Destiny, the concept that the United States’ growth from the Atlantic to the Pacific was justified and inevitable, was praised in history class as a noble thing. I remember studying each acquisition, from the Louisiana Purchase to the Mexican Cession to the purchase of Alaska, as amazing, hard-fought, and even miraculous wins for the Good Guys. The left now views them as something else entirely, but I don’t care. The thought of ceding any of this land, won fair and square over many decades with the blood, sweat, and tears of our ancestors, to a bunch of godless communists hellbent on destroying everything they touch is anathema to every fiber of my being.

Even so, Limbaugh is obviously correct about the ongoing cultural divide. Many have argued that this country has been experiencing a bloodless “civil war” for years, one between producers and takers, between freedom-lovers and those who would invoke tyranny to accomplish their evil ends. The difference could not be more evidenced by the divide between the 75 million who voted for Trump versus the (allegedly) 80 million-plus who voted for Biden. On every major issue, from policing to tax policy to immigration to judicial activism to the Second Amendment to abortion to whether or not there are 16 genders, the difference is night and day. “How can these people be so ignorant?” each side asks while looking at the other side like they’ve got three eyes and two noses.

Several years ago, Dr. John Gottman proved unequivocally that one behavior had an astoundingly predictive effect on whether or not a marriage would last. That behavior is “contempt.”

“Contempt is fueled by long-simmering negative thoughts about one’s partner, and it arises in the form of an attack on someone’s sense of self,” Gottman writes. “Inevitably, contempt leads to more conflict—particularly dangerous and destructive forms of conflict—rather than to reconciliation. It’s virtually impossible to resolve a problem when your partner is getting the message that you’re disgusted with them and that you’re condescending and acting as their superior.”

Sound familiar? If "contempt" isn’t right smack dab in the middle of the ongoing political and cultural wars, I don’t know what is. All of which leaves two key questions: 1.) If America is already split apart ideologically, will geography eventually follow? And 2.) If a geographical split happens at some point, is it possible to do so peacefully?

In a section of his book titled, “American Secession: The Looming Threat of a National Breakup,” George Mason University School of Law professor F.H. Buckley argues that such a split could occur, constitutionally even, with no bloodshed at all.

“Instead of the Civil War, think of the ‘velvet divorce’ of the Czechs and Slovaks in 1993,” Buckley writes. “Distinct in religion, language and culture, they had been combined in a country created in 1918 after the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The Slovaks were conservative and agricultural while the Czechs liked avant-garde plays and rock music. Czechoslovakia suffered through Nazi and Soviet rule, and then split apart into Slovakia and the Czech Republic upon the fall of communism. The two new countries, both Western and liberal, solved questions about their border, the division of assets and assumption of public debt through negotiation, and they’ve since maintained the friendliest of relations.”

Buckley argues that since the stakes “have been lowered” significantly since the 1860s when secession meant the literal continued enslavement of millions, such a measure indeed could be a “reasonable way to resolve unbridgeable partisan differences.”

Expect more talk of secession coming from the right, especially if the radical socialists win those two Georgia Senate seats and go on to pack the courts, eliminate the filibuster, and jam through every leftist wet dream from defunding the police to the Green New Deal. Already, the chairman of the Texas Republican Party is on board, and a Twitter poll (real "science," I know) from conservative writer Matt Walsh with 52,000 respondents showed over 60 percent agreeing to “support a plan to break up the United States so that the Left and Right can live in separate countries.”

Now that they’ve won electorally, of course, the left stands firmly on the side of unity, at least for the time being. Such talk is “treason” now, don’t you know, not because they ever had any respect for America’s borders and the freedom residing therein, but because they need producers, taxpayers, serfs to work their newfound socialist utopia. You see, their vision of America is more Panem than City on a Hill, and it takes a whole lot of proletarians to keep the elites – of which they fully intend to be a part – fat, comfortable, and happy in their walled-off enclaves. No, it’s not like pre-1865 chattel slavery, but it’s servitude nonetheless, and it’s something the left is surely willing to go to war to keep. (And yes, I’m aware of all the levels of irony).

A national split in my lifetime would be an awful, painful thing to see, even if it happened without bloodshed. It would, however, be far preferable to living under a Democratic Socialist, one-party state. While most Americans right now truly aren’t wishing for any sort of hot OR cold civil war, national divorce, or even peaceful separation, it’s hard not to see something along those lines on the horizon if things keep going the way they’re going. Admitting this isn’t ‘treason,’ it’s reality.


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To: Kaslin

Secession/splitting the nation is NOT necessary as long as the people are allowed to vote, and the vote is an honest vote.


81 posted on 12/14/2020 11:27:42 AM PST by Professional ( )
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To: Kaslin

We will not secede. We will become part of the final revived Roman Empire prophesied in Revelation13.


82 posted on 12/14/2020 11:28:49 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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Never yield.


83 posted on 12/14/2020 11:31:18 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Kevmo

Ok, but if If the insinuation is that The U.S. will be a part of the “Gog/Magog” contingency as a co-conspirator in the final offensive against Israel scenario, there is no indication where America plays a key role or is a figure head in the “the Holy Roman empire” It may be we are a part of or be the chief component of “Babylon” which will come under a certain and seperate judgement, but we will not be coming with the rest of the world AGAINST Israel because of our past and continued support of her. It may be we are spiritually or physically obliterated or marked for destruction for our leading the world in secular headomism but show me in the Bible where WE are part of the coalition of Antichrist and the church and maybe I will come around to your line of thinking of what is to take place in the near future.


84 posted on 12/14/2020 12:00:33 PM PST by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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To: Kevmo

Ok, but if the insinuation is that The U.S. will be a part of the “Gog/Magog” contingency as a co-conspirator in the final offensive against Israel scenario as Kevmo says “be a part of the Holy Roman empire” there is no indication of that. It may be we are a part of or be the chief component of “Babylon” which will come under a certain and seperate judgement, but we will not be coming with the rest of the world AGAINST Israel because of our past and continued support of her. It may be we are spiritually or physically obliterated or marked for destruction for our leading the world in secular headomism but show me in the Bible where WE are part of the coalition of Antichrist and the church and maybe I will come around to your line of thinking of what is to take place in the near future.


85 posted on 12/14/2020 12:16:52 PM PST by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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To: Rainwave

Let’s start with this post

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3914692/posts?page=22#22


86 posted on 12/14/2020 12:20:54 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kaslin

I no longer want leftist democrats using government to try and control me through threats of fines, imprisonment or violence by their democrat armies (i.e fbi, atf, state or local police) let alone their paramilitary army called blm and antifa.

JoMa


87 posted on 12/14/2020 12:23:06 PM PST by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: Kevmo

Ok, but if the insinuation is that The U.S. will be a part of the “Gog/Magog” contingency as a co-conspirator in the final offensive against Israel scenario as Kevmo says “be a part of the Holy Roman empire” there is no indication of that. It may be we are a part of or be the chief component of “Babylon” which will come under a certain and seperate judgement, but we will not be coming with the rest of the world AGAINST Israel because of our past and continued support of her. It may be we are spiritually or physically obliterated or marked for destruction for our leading the world in secular headomism but show me in the Bible where WE are part of the coalition of Antichrist and the church and maybe I will come around to your line of thinking of what is to take place in the near future. As far as a “national split” goes, we have BIGGER things to worry about and answer for than some national “family estrangement” or separation from ourselves as God did when he divorced Jerusalem.


88 posted on 12/14/2020 12:26:37 PM PST by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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To: Rainwave

I got your post the first time and responded to it.


89 posted on 12/14/2020 1:40:38 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: tbw2

They are going to have to learn a hard lesson about the “consent of the governed” before this is all over with.

The Deep State apologists blanketing Free Republic these days are utterly unaware, and expect the right to follow the law blindly in spite of flagrant violations of the left.


90 posted on 12/14/2020 2:27:22 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: jonsie

The government has issued a Declaration of Independence from the people

It is now government of, by and for the government.

The people aren’t part of the equation here any more than the slave labor workers are in China or the peasants were in the USSR. This is the model of the new rulers of Amerika. Get very small, very fast.


91 posted on 12/14/2020 2:47:59 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (I did not leave my country, my country left me)
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To: jonsie
Your post #23 is PROFOUND in its assessment.
92 posted on 12/14/2020 3:15:39 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: jonsie
You turned from God. You turned from family. You turned from country. You embraced degeneracy culture. You celebrated and looked to fools. You worshipped yourselves selfishly as you took for granted what men died to give you. You disregarded history and all it teaches. On your watch, America just died a little. It’s likely she’ll never be the same again. Some of you have no idea what you’ve done. Sadly, some of you did.

Bump that!!!

93 posted on 12/14/2020 3:20:20 PM PST by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: jonsie
You turned from God. You turned from family. You turned from country. You embraced degeneracy culture. You celebrated and looked to fools. You worshipped yourselves selfishly as you took for granted what men died to give you. You disregarded history and all it teaches.

You couldn't kick your John Lennon habits.

94 posted on 12/14/2020 3:21:11 PM PST by aspasia
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To: TangledUpInBlue
My scenario is based on the assumption that the other party won't change their behavior or even get worse. If that is the case, my guess is it would take less than a decade. Some minor flouting of so-called federal mandates could occur even before step 3) is complete.
95 posted on 12/14/2020 4:33:36 PM PST by TigerLikesRoosterNew
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To: TigerLikesRoosterNew

My scenario is based on the assumption that the other party won’t change their behavior or even get worse. If that is the case, my guess is it would take less than a decade. Some minor flouting of so-called federal mandates could occur even before step 3) is complete.


Science tells you to feed a series of values into an equation to flesh out what the equation is. If you feed a progression of values in for illegal immigration, uneducation of our young and more abrasive treatment of the core American population it will only get worse as we die out and are replaced by these socialists. If we have any chance of survival for our people for our culture as Americans we have to act now. The fact that they publically stole this election and America shows that they are accelerating our destruction.


96 posted on 12/16/2020 9:26:25 AM PST by joegoeny ("Nuts!")
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