Posted on 05/19/2022 1:04:56 PM PDT by SpeedyInTexas
“I would like to see details of the scenario in which the Russians get to Odessa.”
Scenario 1: Russians march to Odessa backwards and pretend they are leaving, hope the Ukes don’t notice anything strange.
Scenario 2: Russians seal conscripts in boxes marked “Humanitarian Aid” and ship them to Odessa.
Scenario 3: Russians leave tanks abandoned on the road, with soldiers hidden inside in secret compartments. Wait for the Ukes to tow them to Odessa.
At the time this was happening, I was posting on a forum that had a member of the Polish military. He said the US had been training people there for months in preparation for this coup. You’ve just fallen for the propaganda.
“Why do we have to do something?”
We don’t, but we certainly know what happens if we don’t.
“Do you really care who sits in the presidential palace in Kiev while our country is being destroyed from within?”
I care about helping countries who are not our enemy, who happen to be in the process of being invaded by our enemy. Especially when we have made security guarantees to that country.
Trump was marginally more successful at resisting the same deep state actors that had Yanukovich tossed out. Lord knows they tried. But in the end, he fled to Mar-a-Lago, just as defeated.
Because it's quite possible for your kitchen to be on fire while someone sets fire to your back porch, too.
In fact, given the morons in our illegitimate regime, it's quite likely.
What, no use of the strategic Guards Dolphin Navy to infiltrate Odessa? Fear they will defect for Ukrainian jars of Matjes Herring?
Russia is no more America's enemy than Ukraine is America's friend. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries on earth. I know. I've been there. I've seen it.
They exist to launder money for the ruling elite and provide graft to the ruling elite's children.
And you want to help them.
And the security guarantees we made to Ukraine? We also made security guarantees to Russia that NATO would expand "not one inch" eastward.
I’ve been appalled by the abysmal IGNORANCE OF HISTORY so many are displaying. Folks apparently have ZERO UNDERSTANDING of the importance that Russia places on the Black Sea.
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Really? You imagine you are the only one who has studied Russian history, literature, culture, language and much more here? If you do, you are a fool, an appalling one at that.
All you Pootie Poot apologists are the same - predictable and wearily boring.
Humm, was I cheering? Don’t recall that. You wouldn’t be attempting to put words in my mouth by any chance again. Gads and little catfish, are you Putanists ever lame!
“The Russians will control the entire coastline by the time this is done.”
That’s what you want, isn’t it? Be honest now. We await your reply.
Noted.
IMHO Russia will not use nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear country in a Russian war of aggression. If they do then the year 2100 will come and go and Russia will still be a pariah state.
They’ll also all but guarantee that every NATO country will develop and deploy nuclear weapons. All aimed at Russia.
Scenario 4: Russia surrenders to Ukraine and asks to be annexed. Russia then technically controls Odessa. The Putin Troll Army will then declare victory.
I would take that bet.
“if we’re dumb enough to try an insurgency.”
Stop saying “we”, you dirty RuZZian.
Who is rolling up whose positions? No one is suggesting that the Ukrainians are doing anything other than sustaining devastating losses - but there is a lot of propaganda.
ANOTHER failed RuZZian river crossing...
“Video from Ukraine’s 30th Mechanized Brigade showing a failed Russian river crossing reportedly near Dronivka, Donetsk Oblast.”
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1527406389068431360
And yet we still got our tails beat and left. You cannot control territory with an airplane loaded up with a couple of precision strike weapons. Even a B-52 full of JDAMS creates chaos, but at the end of the day controls nothing.
What proganda channel are you watching?
“I didn’t want ANY of this war. The STUPIDITY of the Biden administration allowed this war to come about.”
Actually, this war began in 2014 under the Obama administration when Russia fomented a civil war in the Donbas area, and invaded Ukraine at that time (though not in the numbers it employed in this escalation).
“I’ve been appalled by the abysmal IGNORANCE OF HISTORY so many are displaying. Folks apparently have ZERO UNDERSTANDING of the importance that Russia places on the Black Sea.”
And I’m appalled at the ignorance of so many who think the Black Sea is anything other than a large lake with oil and gas opportunities. I say “lake” because that’s what it is if Turkey closes the Bosphorus or someone decides not to allow any Russian ships to transit the strait (it is only about 2500 feet at its narrowest). So, militarily it is not strategic at all for Russia, unless it wants to attack its neighbors (which Russia seems to enjoy doing).
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