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Western allies meeting regularly to game out potential framework for Ukraine ceasefire as war hits 100th day (Ukraine Gov. not invited to discussion)
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| 6/3/2022
| Natasha Bertrand
Posted on 06/03/2022 11:39:03 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos
This would be like the Munich conference where the UK and France gave Czech lands to the Nazis in the hope of preventing world war 2.
That didn’t work.
This is more and more proof that the Russian government of today are really Nazis.
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posted on
06/03/2022 11:45:38 PM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Mount Athos
But it is NOT a proxy war, of by and for the globalist billionaires psychopaths.
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posted on
06/04/2022 12:09:02 AM PDT
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
Comment #4 Removed by Moderator
To: Mount Athos
1. End all of the sanctions and ensure the free flow of fuel, fertilizer, and food.
2. Have Ukraine cede Crimea to Russia.
3. Have Russia cede Odessa to Ukraine.
4. Limit all hostilities to Donbas and Mariupol, substantially reducing the geographical scope of the war, and pledge to work towards cessation of hostilities in those areas too.
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posted on
06/04/2022 12:43:09 AM PDT
by
Arcadian Empire
(The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
To: colonelzanders
I’m defending the nation fighting against an aggressive invader.
Why are you supporting the Nazis ie Putin’s troops?
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posted on
06/04/2022 1:45:10 AM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Arcadian Empire
Odessa is de facto and de jure part of Ukraine. Nothing for Russia to cede.
It would be like you saying Mexico should cede Boise Idaho....
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posted on
06/04/2022 1:46:27 AM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Mount Athos
"That framework involves Ukraine committing to neutrality with regard to NATO in exchange for some security guarantees, and negotiations between Ukraine and Russia on the future of Crimea and the Donbas region."
I fail to see how repeating the last 30 years of security guarantees and negotiations that led up to the invasion is a solution. Ignoring Ukraine, Putin made his intentions clear on December 17. He wants a new USSR. Former Soviet states are choosing to stand together in Ukraine instead of falling to Russia one by one.
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posted on
06/04/2022 1:49:10 AM PDT
by
Widget Jr
To: Mount Athos
Ukraine is a puppet.
One of the Russian officials was talking to the BBC and said the negotiations would be held between Russia and the west. “Not Ukraine?” the reporter sniffed. “Well, they can be at the negotiations. But you know, everyone knows, they are only a puppet” the official responded.
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posted on
06/04/2022 3:06:23 AM PDT
by
Fido969
(45 is Superman! )
To: Mount Athos
Activists of the Orange Revolution were funded and trained in tactics of political organisation and nonviolent resistance by Western pollsters and professional consultants who were partly funded by Western government and non-government agencies but received most of their funding from domestic sources. [2] [150] According to The Guardian, the foreign donors included the U.S. State Department and USAID along with the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the International Republican Institute, the NGO Freedom House and George Soros's Open Society Institute. [151] The National Endowment for Democracy has supported democracy-building efforts in Ukraine since 1988.Ukraine has been a slush fund and pet project of US pols and Soros since they gained their independence. Practice grounds for color revolutions like the one we're going through right now. Activists in the streets, questionable elections, corruption, political enemies etc.
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posted on
06/04/2022 4:41:40 AM PDT
by
Pollard
(If there's a question mark in the headline, the answer should always be No.)
To: Cronos
Once upon a time, all of Western media was in agreement on nazis in Ukraine
Over the years many 'western' media have correctly reported on the Ukrainian fascists. Here is an incomplete collection (h/t Antispin):
- 15,000 Ukraine nationalists march for divisive Bandera - Jan 1 2014 - USA Today
- Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine? - Feb 25 2014 - Salon
- How the far-right took top posts in Ukraine’s power vacuum - Mar 5 2014 - Channel 4
- Rein in Ukraine's neo-fascists - Mar 6 2014 - CNN
- Denying the Far-Right Role in the Ukrainian Revolution - Mar 7 2014 - FAIR
- The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine - Mar 11 2014 - Huffpost
- Yes, There Are Bad Guys in the Ukrainian Government - Mar 18 2014 - Foreign Policy
- Analysis: U.S. Cozies Up to Kiev Government Including Far Right - Mar 30 2014 - NBCnews
- Profile: Ukraine's ultra-nationalist Right Sector - Apr 28 2014 - BBC
- The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine - May 11 2014 - Huffpost
- Fascism returns to the continent it once destroyed - May 12 2014 - TNR
- Ukraine conflict: 'White power' warrior from Sweden - Jul 16 2014 - BBC
- Preparing for War With Ukraine’s Fascist Defenders of Freedom - Aug 30 2014 - Foreign Policy
- German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers - Sep 9 2014 - NBCnews
- Azov fighters are Ukraine's greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat - Sep 10 2014 - Guardian
- Volunteer Ukrainian unit includes Nazis - Mar 10 2015 - USA Today
- US House Admits Nazi Role in Ukraine - Jun 14 2015 - Consortium News
- Why Ukraine’s New Ultranationalist Party Will Not Last - Oct 19 2016 - Atlantic Council
- Ukraine's Hyper-Nationalist Military Summer Camp for Kids | NBC Left Field (vid) - Jul 13 2017 - NBCnews
- The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda - Nov 9 2017 - The Hill
- The US is Arming and Assisting Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, While Congress Debates Prohibition - Jan 18 2018 - The RealNews Network
- In Ukraine, Ultranationalist Militia Strikes Fear In Some Quarters - Jan 30 2018 - RFERL
- Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem - Mar 19 2018 - Reuters
- America’s Collusion With Neo-Nazis - May 2 2018 - The Nation
- Ukraine’s Got a Real Problem with Far-Right Violence (And No, RT Didn’t Write This Headline) - Jun 20 2018 - Atlantic Council
- Ukraine, Anti-Semitism, Racism, and the Far Right - Oct 16 2018 - Atlantic Council
- Azov, Ukraine's Most Prominent Ultranationalist Group, Sets Its Sights On U.S., Europe - Nov 14 2018 - RFERL
- Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine - Feb 22 2019 - The Nation
- Ultranationalism in Ukraine – a photo essay - Apr 11 2019 - Guardian
- There’s One Far-Right Movement That Hates the Kremlin - Apr 17 2019 - Foreign Policy
- Is America Training Neonazis in Ukraine? - Dec 8 2019 - DailyBeast
- The Azov Regiment has not depoliticized - Mar 19 2020 - Atlantic Council
- Like, Share, Recruit: How a White-Supremacist Militia Uses Facebook to Radicalize and Train New Members - Jan 7 2021 - Time
- Profile: Who are Ukraine’s far-right Azov regiment? - Mar 1 2022 - Aljazeerah
- How Ukraine’s Jewish president Zelensky made peace with neo-Nazi paramilitaries on front lines of war with Russia - Mar 4 2022 - Grayzone
- Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't - Mar 6 2022 - NBCnews
- Right-wing Azov Battalion emerges as a controversial defender of Ukraine - Apr 6 2022 - Washington Post
Next to those and many more media reports there are some detailed ones from various organization which document the war crimes Azov and groups like it have committed in Ukraine. In 2015 the Foundation for the Study of Democracy published a report about the War crimes of the armed forces and security forces of Ukraine: torture and inhumane treatment. In 2018 the Human Rights Platform "Uspishna Varta" wrote in a report about the Ministry of Internal Affairs and General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine:
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posted on
06/04/2022 4:47:44 AM PDT
by
Pollard
(If there's a question mark in the headline, the answer should always be No.)
To: Pollard
That was in 2014 when Russia invaded Ukraine.
In 2015 the Azov battalion removed its neo nazi element and became part of the wider group resisting Putin’s conquest of the DPR and lpr
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posted on
06/04/2022 6:59:34 AM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Fido969
Putin pretends they are a puppet as he thinks he can convince the west to let him grab Ukraine.
Just like Hitler with the Sudeten
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posted on
06/04/2022 7:00:57 AM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Pollard
The last link you sent says “militia with far right views says it welcomes everybody in the struggle against Russian invasion “
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posted on
06/04/2022 7:02:29 AM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Cronos
More than half of those articles were 2016 or newer.
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posted on
06/04/2022 7:02:42 AM PDT
by
Pollard
(If there's a question mark in the headline, the answer should always be No.)
To: Mount Athos
with gas prices continuing to rise largely because of the measures the west has taken to cut off imports of Russian oil and gas. Not to mention Biden's active attempts to destroy U.S. oil production. Leave it to CNN to provide cover.
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posted on
06/04/2022 7:03:36 AM PDT
by
libertylover
(Our BIGGEST problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
To: Pollard
And they point out that after 2015 it changed.
Furthermore, these are 900 odd militia out of hundreds of thousands.
I guess you also call the USA as supporting nazis due yo the Aryan brotherhood?
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posted on
06/04/2022 7:39:01 AM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Pollard
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posted on
06/04/2022 8:51:40 AM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Mount Athos
So Biden lied all along and was never hoping to help Ukraine repel Putin at all. It was just a horrible charade, pretending to do what it was not doing??? If so, that carnage engineered with a wink and nod from the west is far worse a failure than the exit from Afghanistan.
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posted on
06/04/2022 2:26:15 PM PDT
by
Wuli
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