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FOIA Details on Polar Bear .22 Pistol Defense Failure
AmmoLand ^ | August 31, 2022 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 09/10/2022 5:46:15 AM PDT by marktwain

Detailed, official information has surfaced about the defensive use of a pistol failure involving a .22 pistol and a polar bear in the Svalbard archipelago of Norway.

One of the three documented cases where a pistol was fired to defend from a bear and failed was the sad tale of crew passengers from the tour/expedition ship Origo in the summer of 1995.  The event, as related in a travel guide, was documented on AmmoLand. There were several other sources that corroborated the event; the details were from the travel guide.

As part of ongoing research to discover documented cases where pistols were fired in defense against bears, AmmoLand filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for polar bear incidents for this correspondent.

The released data contained a redacted, English translation of the narrative of the official Svalbard report on the Origo incident.

The official version is far more detailed and considerably more believable than the skeleton version in the travel guide book. They overlap closely; the details in the official version explain a great deal which seemed almost farcical in the travel guide version.

Travel Guide version Kiepertoyo Hinlopen Strait, August 1995

Another five people of the crew set out separately with only a .22 pistol and a flare gun. After an hour’s march, the second party were met by a bear, 75m away and openly aggressive. The bear was distracted neither by warning shot nor flare and attacked one of the party. As he did so, he was shot, from a range of only 15m and turned against the man who had fired at him. This man tossed the gun to the first, who shot again. The process was repeated, with first one man being attacked and then the other.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 22; banglist; bearattack; norway
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The travel guide version seemed bizarre; the official version is more believable, with actions from foolish to heroic.

A .22 pistol can be used to kill a polar bear. It helps if you have some skill with the pistol, and know where to shoot the bear.

1 posted on 09/10/2022 5:46:16 AM PDT by marktwain
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Gee, there goes my plan to only carry my .22 pistol when I go elephant hunting this year.


2 posted on 09/10/2022 5:51:03 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
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It helps if you have some skill with the pistol, and know where to shoot the bear.

Or if you are close enough to stick the muzzle in his ear before you pull the trigger...

3 posted on 09/10/2022 6:01:32 AM PDT by null and void (Never suspect dishonest men of making honest mistakes.)
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To: null and void

Four shots were fired from 3-4 feet.


4 posted on 09/10/2022 6:17:44 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

See? Not close enough!


5 posted on 09/10/2022 6:20:27 AM PDT by null and void (Never suspect dishonest men of making honest mistakes.)
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Would have been better to shoot the bear with a flare.

Hey- that rhymes!!!


6 posted on 09/10/2022 6:20:49 AM PDT by themidnightskulker (....And then the thread dies.... Peacefully.... In its sleep....)
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The problem is the same if you use a .22 on a person. They don’t die quickly enough and they aren’t disabled. You can be pounded to death by your enraged target before it dies.


7 posted on 09/10/2022 6:25:58 AM PDT by GingisK
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...could be a bear with a flair with a flare.


8 posted on 09/10/2022 6:26:47 AM PDT by GingisK
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This is one of three documented cases where firing a pistol to defend against a bear, failed.

There are over 120 documented cases where firing the pistol succeeded in driving off or killing the bear.

9 posted on 09/10/2022 6:29:01 AM PDT by marktwain
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The problem is the same if you use a .22 on a person. They don’t die quickly enough and they aren’t disabled.

But I’ve seen a video where that exact same thing happens to an intended victim using a .45. He put three shots in his attackers but took more damage for at least a minute before the assailant finally started to weaken.

In polar bear country, somebody needs at least a 44 magnum or a 10 mm - and preferably a decent rifle.

10 posted on 09/10/2022 6:34:44 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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You would think a polar bear would know better than use a 22


11 posted on 09/10/2022 6:46:13 AM PDT by pas
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Would have been better to shoot the bear with a flare.

A flare gun was used.

It did not work.

12 posted on 09/10/2022 6:52:24 AM PDT by marktwain
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What good is a .22 against a polar bear?


13 posted on 09/10/2022 6:54:03 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Remember August 8!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
.22 rimfires have killed a lot of big animals, including big bears.

A small Cree woman, 63 years old, when she killed a world record grizzly bear at very close range, with a .22 single shot rifle.

The problem with using a .22 is it requires precise placement of the shot or shots.

14 posted on 09/10/2022 7:05:11 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: null and void
Carved Polar Bear Skull Shows Where to Aim when Attacked


15 posted on 09/10/2022 7:29:14 AM PDT by marktwain
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If i ever go polar bear hunting I’m going to use a .22 short pistol. Don’t need no stinkin’ 454 casull!


16 posted on 09/10/2022 7:50:13 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: pas

How did he even get in the trigger guard


17 posted on 09/10/2022 7:56:04 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: GingisK

A bear’s skull is thicker — except for meathead liberals. A 22 will easily penetrate the forehead of a human — if shot directly into it, not glancing.

A 22 at anyone’s(thing’s) heart is a crap shoot — no pun intended. Hit a rib, yah better get off several more rounds.


18 posted on 09/10/2022 8:09:05 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: themidnightskulker

You can not shoot a bear with a flare
Why would you even dare
I don’t know or even care
I’m not even sure about using a flare
That would only work on a rabbit or hare
Any thoughts you want to share
Hey, that was fun
What a tale I have spun
See, you’re not the only one


19 posted on 09/10/2022 8:11:50 AM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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If you hit at an angle less than 23 degrees, even large caliber rounds can glance off of bone.

Even the much vaunted .45 auto has glanced off of human skulls.

20 posted on 09/10/2022 9:28:17 AM PDT by marktwain
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