Elon Musk Is Right, The Russia-Ukraine War Needs To End: The war will end in a negotiated settlement or it will escalate, possibly into nuclear war.

The Federalist ^ | 10/18/2022 | John Daniel Davidson

[JonPreston]

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[your other brother]

How about this for the end of the war. elarus joins Russia in an attack from the north. Counter attacks and takes Minsk. We give Ukraine nukes like they had when the USSR broke up. Russia pulls out of all Ukraine territory incuding crimea which they effectively lost during the Crimean War. Ukraine returns Minsk and Belarus to its aboriginal squalor. Russia pays reparations in oil.

[tlozo]

The war will end in a negotiated settlement or it will escalate

Or the Russians leave, like they did in Afghanistan and after the First Chechen War.

[Czech_Occidentalist]

How can you negotiate with someone who wants to destroy you? Putin clearly said that the Ukrainian nation had no right to exist.

[JonPreston]

I’m for whatever the parties agree to. It’s not our business.

[kaktuskid]

Or give Ukraine thermobaric bombs, which are the equivalent of a nuke without the radiation.

[Timber Rattler]

With its current borders, Ukraine can have territorial integrity or political independence, but it can’t have both.

Who says? There are treaties and agreements in place that guarantee both.

[Magnum44]

The war will end in a negotiated settlement or it will escalate

When someone tells you there are only two possible outcomes to a situation, they are pushing an agenda for one of those.

[Salman]

They Democrats were willing to burn our own cities to gain power, they will burn the world for even more power.

Blaming others the whole way of course.

[buwaya]

There are several problems here -

1. Those thirty years have passed, and things have changed. The Ukrainian people have existed independent of Moscow, and now they have a shared identity and European expectations. The state of things in 1954 no longer applies.

2. As he said, the Ukrainian people definitively broke from Moscow in 2013 - not 2014, which was simply the victory of the popular will against a Kremlin puppet, with their overwhelming parliamentary vote to join the EU.

3. There have been several free elections in those regions. The last in 2019, when they also voted in the current parliament, and Zelensky. They had their choice of pro-Moscow parties. Few chose them.

4. Ukraine cannot maintain its independence, and its people their liberties, if they are to be perpetually under the threat of the monsters over the border. They will be a puppet state in short order, or they will suffer yet another invasion whenever whomever is running Russia feels like it. It would be completely mad for them to agree to disarmament.

There are also practical problems with a vote under current circumstances. A very large part of the population of those regions are refugees elsewhere in Ukraine or all over Europe. In addition a large number have been willingly or forcibly evacuated to Russia. The rump population left are certainly not representative of the prewar population.

It is a depraved and sinful policy to cooperate in forcing a free people under the yoke of tyrants.

[seowulf]

Or the Russians leave, like they did in Afghanistan

So it should be all over by 2032?

[MikeSteelBe]

"Or give Ukraine thermobaric bombs, which are the equivalent of a nuke without the radiation."

Take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[no-to-illegals]

And the atoms plow ahead !!!

[Drew68]

How about this for the end of the war. elarus joins Russia in an attack from the north. Counter attacks and takes Minsk. We give Ukraine nukes like they had when the USSR broke up. Russia pulls out of all Ukraine territory incuding crimea which they effectively lost during the Crimean War. Ukraine returns Minsk and Belarus to its aboriginal squalor. Russia pays reparations in oil.

[wardaddy]

SBU

Uke secret police and their history of assassinating scared Elon

He reversed fast

[your other brother]

Realistically there can be no settlement without iron clad security guarantees for Ukraine, ones unlike the guarantees they got for giving up their nukes. Basically that means whatever the territorial settlement looks like Ukraine ends up in NATO. Without that Ukraine will keep fighting and Russia will keep collapsing militarily and economically and politically. Russia is incapable of winning this war. They started the war primarily to prevent Ukraine from joining the west and NATO. The war is now guaranteed to end with Ukraine in NATO. Nukes? They will not change the outcome only increase the cost, and that mainly to Russia.

[JonPreston]

that is so funny :)

[SeekAndFind]

RE: Putin clearly said that the Ukrainian nation had no right to exist.

Actually, Putin wants Ukraine to exist, albeit as part of the Russian nation or as a Russian controlled state like Belarus.

[Eleutheria5]

So pressure Putin to withdraw his troops. There were negotiations going on for years before he invaded, and he refused to bargain in good faith then, and will refuse to negotiate in good faith now.

After Russian troops are gone, and no longer massed on the border, let the Ukrainian people, including those in Donbas and Crimea, set aside their hostilities and bad blood, and have a referendum under terms acceptable under the Ukraine constitution, and to both Ukrainians and Russians, as to the fate of Donbas and Crimea.

It won’t happen. The war will continue. If you try to force Ukraine to accept a diplomatic solution not of their making, you will be messaging to Putin or his successor to do this again, and wave around his nuclear arsenal until the International Community forces another half-loaf settlement on whoever will be succeeding Zelensky, who might be a Russian hireling like Yanukovich was, or just a spineless wimp who will cave. All things considered, Zelensky was a fortunate find for Ukraine. Go ahead. Rev up your Alinsky playbook again.