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Elon Musk Is Right, The Russia-Ukraine War Needs To End: The war will end in a negotiated settlement or it will escalate, possibly into nuclear war.
The Federalist ^ | 10/18/2022 | John Daniel Davidson

Posted on 10/18/2022 9:17:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Musk understands what many commentators don’t: The war will end in a negotiated settlement or it will escalate, possibly into nuclear war.

As if to burnish his reputation as a super-villain in the eyes of the corporate press, Elon Musk this week floated an idea on Twitter for a possible resolution of the Russo-Ukrainian war. For his trouble, he was swiftly accused of being a pro-Putin stooge by guardians of the Official Narrative. His suggested peace plan was dismissed out of hand as “Russia-friendly” and, as The Washington Post’s Olivier Knox put it, “designed to lock in Russian territorial gains.”

But Musk’s idea shouldn’t be so quickly dismissed, not least because it has the virtue of being grounded in reality, but also because broadly speaking the billionaire mogul is right: It’s time for the war in Ukraine to come to an end. One need not be “Russia-friendly” to recognize that this war will most likely end in one of two ways. Either there will be a negotiated political settlement, in which both Russia and Ukraine get some of what they vitally need, or the thing will escalate into a worldwide nuclear war.

Given the options, the responsible thing to do is think through how a settlement might be reached — something our political leaders and media elites, wedded as they are to a maximalist Ukraine policy that seeks the total defeat of Russian forces and regime change in Moscow, have thus far been incapable of doing.

Musk proposed a four-part deal: Re-do the elections in the recently annexed areas of eastern Ukraine, this time under United Nations supervision; leave Crimea as part of Russia; assure a water supply to Crimea; Ukraine agrees to remain neutral.

The plan isn’t perfect, obviously, but it’s a far cry from Kremlin propaganda. It recognizes something that sharp observers of the conflict could see even before Russia’s invasion in late February: With its current borders, Ukraine can have territorial integrity or political independence, but it can’t have both.

My friend Mario Loyola made precisely that argument in these pages weeks before the war began, noting that Ukraine’s present-day borders date from 1954, when Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev “gave” Ukraine nominal control over strategic swaths of territory that had not been traditionally considered part of Ukraine, such as the Crimean Peninsula, along with a formidable Soviet nuclear arsenal. The point was to make it seem like the Warsaw Pact was something other than a Soviet concoction designed to give Moscow more seats in the U.N. General Assembly.

But those borders were never meant to be “real.” When the Soviet Union collapsed decades later, the United States recognized the situation was untenable and helped arrange for the return of Ukraine’s nuclear arsenal to Moscow and broker an agreement for Russia to retain access to its Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. But even these adjustments didn’t create a stable situation, as Loyola writes:

A glance at the map of 1991 should have made people wonder whether Ukraine, in these artificially enlarged borders, could even be a viable state. It wasn’t at all clear that Ukraine would be strong enough to maintain both political independence and territorial integrity given the weight of vital Russian interests involved.“Russia is never as strong as she looks, Russia is never as weak as she looks,” the saying goes, and the map of 1991 reflected a state of Russian weakness that was bound to prove fleeting.

Ukraine had no problem controlling the territory as long as it accepted Moscow’s control. But the moment it definitively broke away from Moscow in 2014, it immediately lost control of those areas that were most vital to Russian interests, and nobody with an even minimal sense of Russian and Ukrainian history can pretend to have been taken by surprise.

All of that to say, freezing Ukraine’s 1991 border in place all but guaranteed a future conflict, which is now upon us. The Biden administration could have responded by insisting that Ukraine and Russia work out a negotiated settlement that addressed the territorial problems everyone knew had been festering for decades. Instead, Biden opted to throw our lot in with Ukraine to the tune of $67 billion and counting, making Ukraine a de facto member of NATO and guaranteeing that the war can grind on indefinitely — or escalate into a wider, possibly nuclear war.

Certainly, absent U.S. funding and support, Ukraine would have long ago negotiated a political settlement that involved some adjustment of its borders or some assurances of its neutrality. Indeed, negotiations early on in the war, back in March, brokered by Israel and Turkey were predicated on just such an exchange: In return for guarantees of Ukrainian neutrality (meaning Ukraine would never join NATO), Russian forces would withdraw from Ukraine. Those talks broke down in early April around the time then-British Prime Minister Boris Johnson made a surprise visit to Kyiv and met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Now, more than seven months into the fighting, the Biden administration seems intent on closing down any possible remaining off-ramps that could bring about an end to the war. We can’t know for certain that the U.S. was behind the sabotage of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines (although it makes more sense than assuming Russia did it), but the attack is just the sort of thing that risks widening the war beyond Ukraine and rendering a bilateral negotiated settlement impossible.

Is it possible Biden doesn’t want this war to end in a compromise between Moscow and Kyiv? Is the view expressed back in March by Secretary of State Antony Blinken, that the war will continue until Russian forces are driven from a totally intact and politically independent Ukraine, the end state that the White House is working toward? If so, it would suggest that a negotiated peace isn’t really what the Biden administration wants out of this, but rather something more like regime change in Moscow, which is exactly what Blinken’s scenario would portend.

If that’s the goal, then something along the lines of Musk’s peace plan is exactly what you wouldn’t want. It’s the sort of thing you’d want to denigrate as Kremlin propaganda or the rantings of a deranged billionaire. You certainly wouldn’t want anyone to take it seriously, because then ordinary people might get the idea that there’s a way out of this war that doesn’t involve escalation and that prevents the U.S. from getting drawn in deeper than we already are.

But if your goal was for something other than regime change in Moscow, say, for an end to the fighting and a settlement that both Ukraine and Russia could live with, then you’d want to start thinking about what such a settlement might entail. And it might end up looking a lot like what Musk threw out there, to the immediate consternation and fury of the corporate press. Imagine that.


John Daniel Davidson is a senior editor at The Federalist. His writing has appeared in the Wall Street Journal, the Claremont Review of Books, The New York Post, and elsewhere.


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1 posted on 10/18/2022 9:17:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Two minute YouTube

War of Annihilation with Russia' to be Simulated During Nuclear War Games Dubbed "Steadfast Noon"

2 posted on 10/18/2022 9:21:22 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

How about this for the end of the war. elarus joins Russia in an attack from the north. Counter attacks and takes Minsk. We give Ukraine nukes like they had when the USSR broke up. Russia pulls out of all Ukraine territory incuding crimea which they effectively lost during the Crimean War. Ukraine returns Minsk and Belarus to its aboriginal squalor. Russia pays reparations in oil.


3 posted on 10/18/2022 9:35:16 AM PDT by your other brother
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To: SeekAndFind
The war will end in a negotiated settlement or it will escalate

Or the Russians leave, like they did in Afghanistan and after the First Chechen War.

4 posted on 10/18/2022 9:35:52 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: SeekAndFind

How can you negotiate with someone who wants to destroy you? Putin clearly said that the Ukrainian nation had no right to exist.


5 posted on 10/18/2022 9:39:29 AM PDT by Czech_Occidentalist
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To: your other brother

I’m for whatever the parties agree to. It’s not our business.


6 posted on 10/18/2022 9:39:42 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: your other brother

Or give Ukraine thermobaric bombs, which are the equivalent of a nuke without the radiation.


7 posted on 10/18/2022 9:39:57 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: SeekAndFind
With its current borders, Ukraine can have territorial integrity or political independence, but it can’t have both.

Who says? There are treaties and agreements in place that guarantee both.

8 posted on 10/18/2022 9:41:06 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: tlozo
The war will end in a negotiated settlement or it will escalate

When someone tells you there are only two possible outcomes to a situation, they are pushing an agenda for one of those.

9 posted on 10/18/2022 9:43:40 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: SeekAndFind
They Democrats were willing to burn our own cities to gain power, they will burn the world for even more power.

Blaming others the whole way of course.

10 posted on 10/18/2022 9:43:55 AM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: SeekAndFind

There are several problems here -

1. Those thirty years have passed, and things have changed. The Ukrainian people have existed independent of Moscow, and now they have a shared identity and European expectations. The state of things in 1954 no longer applies.

2. As he said, the Ukrainian people definitively broke from Moscow in 2013 - not 2014, which was simply the victory of the popular will against a Kremlin puppet, with their overwhelming parliamentary vote to join the EU.

3. There have been several free elections in those regions. The last in 2019, when they also voted in the current parliament, and Zelensky. They had their choice of pro-Moscow parties. Few chose them.

4. Ukraine cannot maintain its independence, and its people their liberties, if they are to be perpetually under the threat of the monsters over the border. They will be a puppet state in short order, or they will suffer yet another invasion whenever whomever is running Russia feels like it. It would be completely mad for them to agree to disarmament.

There are also practical problems with a vote under current circumstances. A very large part of the population of those regions are refugees elsewhere in Ukraine or all over Europe. In addition a large number have been willingly or forcibly evacuated to Russia. The rump population left are certainly not representative of the prewar population.

It is a depraved and sinful policy to cooperate in forcing a free people under the yoke of tyrants.


11 posted on 10/18/2022 9:44:23 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: tlozo
Or the Russians leave, like they did in Afghanistan

So it should be all over by 2032?

12 posted on 10/18/2022 9:44:36 AM PDT by seowulf (Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty, and dies with chaos...Will Durant)
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To: kaktuskid
"Or give Ukraine thermobaric bombs, which are the equivalent of a nuke without the radiation."

Take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

13 posted on 10/18/2022 9:46:19 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (The South will be in the right in the next war of Northern aggression.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And the atoms plow ahead !!!


14 posted on 10/18/2022 9:48:18 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (The enemy has US surrounded. May God have mercy on them.)
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To: your other brother
How about this for the end of the war. elarus joins Russia in an attack from the north. Counter attacks and takes Minsk. We give Ukraine nukes like they had when the USSR broke up. Russia pulls out of all Ukraine territory incuding crimea which they effectively lost during the Crimean War. Ukraine returns Minsk and Belarus to its aboriginal squalor. Russia pays reparations in oil.


15 posted on 10/18/2022 9:54:36 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: SeekAndFind

SBU

Uke secret police and their history of assassinating scared Elon

He reversed fast


16 posted on 10/18/2022 9:56:17 AM PDT by wardaddy (Sound and Fury Republic now home to more than a few globalists who really love the mainstream media )
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To: your other brother

Realistically there can be no settlement without iron clad security guarantees for Ukraine, ones unlike the guarantees they got for giving up their nukes. Basically that means whatever the territorial settlement looks like Ukraine ends up in NATO. Without that Ukraine will keep fighting and Russia will keep collapsing militarily and economically and politically. Russia is incapable of winning this war. They started the war primarily to prevent Ukraine from joining the west and NATO. The war is now guaranteed to end with Ukraine in NATO. Nukes? They will not change the outcome only increase the cost, and that mainly to Russia.


17 posted on 10/18/2022 9:56:33 AM PDT by your other brother
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To: Drew68

that is so funny :)


18 posted on 10/18/2022 9:56:42 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: Czech_Occidentalist

RE: Putin clearly said that the Ukrainian nation had no right to exist.

Actually, Putin wants Ukraine to exist, albeit as part of the Russian nation or as a Russian controlled state like Belarus.


19 posted on 10/18/2022 10:01:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So pressure Putin to withdraw his troops. There were negotiations going on for years before he invaded, and he refused to bargain in good faith then, and will refuse to negotiate in good faith now.

After Russian troops are gone, and no longer massed on the border, let the Ukrainian people, including those in Donbas and Crimea, set aside their hostilities and bad blood, and have a referendum under terms acceptable under the Ukraine constitution, and to both Ukrainians and Russians, as to the fate of Donbas and Crimea.

It won’t happen. The war will continue. If you try to force Ukraine to accept a diplomatic solution not of their making, you will be messaging to Putin or his successor to do this again, and wave around his nuclear arsenal until the International Community forces another half-loaf settlement on whoever will be succeeding Zelensky, who might be a Russian hireling like Yanukovich was, or just a spineless wimp who will cave. All things considered, Zelensky was a fortunate find for Ukraine. Go ahead. Rev up your Alinsky playbook again.


20 posted on 10/18/2022 10:09:00 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Free country? Good morning, Rip. )
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