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Secession movements gain traction in US amid deepening political rifts: 'A long-standing problem'
Fox News ^ | 12/2/22 | Jon Brown

Posted on 12/03/2022 10:38:08 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal

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To: Boogieman

“Oh, I don’t know, only the most fearsome standing army in the world.”

And Air Force. Reconnaissance from the air and subsequent strikes is no match for even armed people.


61 posted on 12/03/2022 12:11:07 PM PST by CottonBall (“Fascism should be called corporatism because it is a merger of state & corporate power" - Mussolini)
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To: Boogieman
Well, nobody is going to be allowed to secede without a fight

Maybe. The Eastern Roman Empire was able to secede from the Rome without a fight. Though the two sides went to war with each other about 20 years later.

62 posted on 12/03/2022 12:13:22 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; All
"Secession movements gain traction in US amid deepening political rifts: 'A long-standing problem'"

Thank you for referencing that article Roman_War_Criminal.

As a side note to this thread, please consider the following.

If Democratic and RINO state lawmakers were brought up to speed with the Supreme Court's clarification of the federal government's constitutionally limited power to appropriate taxes, then they may agree to the simple amendment to the Constitution mentioned further down.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

If state lawmakers understood that the funding that they regularly receive from the federal government is arguably state revenues that the unconstitutionally big federal government steals from the states by means of unconstitutional taxes indicated by the Gibbons v. Ogden excerpt above, then they might agree to the following.

Consider that ALL the states can effectively “secede” from the corrupt federal government by ratifying a new amendment to the Constitution that does nothing more than repeal the 16th (direct taxes) and 17th (popularly elected federal senators) Amendments, arguably little or ideally no discussion required.

Once unconstitutional federal taxes are stopped then the states will ultimately find a tsunami of new revenue (imo) that they can use to increase teacher, police, firefighter salaries for example.

The states can also build and maintain their own infrastructure which the corrupt feds have no express constitutional power to tax and spend for anyway imo.

In fact, respected constitutional experts, including Supreme Court justices, have emphasized that the delegates to the constitutional convention had left the care of the people with states, not the federal government.


63 posted on 12/03/2022 12:15:06 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: zeestephen
How do we divide the former “United” states without violence and without economic destruction?

I think division comes after economic destruction - which is the path we're already on.

64 posted on 12/03/2022 12:15:19 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: TexasFreeper2009

On the abortion issue: I would leave that out of the equation for now. The country is more anti-abortion than it was 50 years ago and getting moreso all the time. Abortion may be one of the dividing factors as people move around to different states but we are inevitably winning that one slowly but surely.

On the other issues, we are far gone, I agree, but a general feeling of right versus wrong may still prevail.


65 posted on 12/03/2022 12:17:07 PM PST by firebrand
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To: ridesthemiles

Signing on to become a member of the United States was never meant to be a suicide pact.

It’s time.


66 posted on 12/03/2022 12:19:08 PM PST by Howie66 (Let's Go Brandon!!)
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To: zeestephen
How do we divide the former “United” states without violence and without economic destruction?

If the fed gov was constrained to the Constitution as written there would be 50 entities who could manage their affairs as they see fit.

67 posted on 12/03/2022 12:20:47 PM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: A Navy Vet

The Russians left because the Afghans were executing captives right in the field instead of taking prisoners. Probably there were other differences as well along the same lines. The Russian morals of combat were very much like ours at that time and they couldn’t win that way, so they left.


68 posted on 12/03/2022 12:25:37 PM PST by firebrand
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To: TexasFreeper2009

>The rot is too deep. Heck protecting abortion even won in Kentucky when it was put on the ballot!

The electoral process in the US has been compromised. The elections are fraudulent.


69 posted on 12/03/2022 12:37:16 PM PST by fretzer
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

“… endeavor more simply that rural red counties secede from the domination of blue urban centers to form new states.“

Sounds good to me.


70 posted on 12/03/2022 12:40:45 PM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: God luvs America

The Hawaiians want self rule, but not getting rid of everyone else that actually pays the taxes.

Same situation as when negros in mainland cities are asked if they want to get rid of white people. They panic and say no when they realize they cannot makes things work on their own.


71 posted on 12/03/2022 12:41:53 PM PST by doorgunner69 (Let's go Brandon)
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To: FreeReign

I believe the Texas constitution and terms for their admission to the US, allows them to split up into 7 states.


72 posted on 12/03/2022 12:42:23 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Boogieman
Well, nobody is going to be allowed to secede without a fight, and if we are going to have to fight either way, why not fight to take the whole enchilada?

My suggestion has always been for the Right (aka real Americans) to secede to some designated states, like, say, Florida all the way to Arizona with a few states above, and then consolidate power, materials and men, and then invade the commie states of America and re-take them.
73 posted on 12/03/2022 12:47:07 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Boogieman

“Oh, I don’t know, only the most fearsome standing army in the world.”

The army that lost to a bunch of primitive goatherders in Afghanistan?


74 posted on 12/03/2022 12:47:49 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: CottonBall

So, you think that army, which is mainly support MOS, will fight the armed populace?

Air Force planes have to land periodically, and what are you going to do, keep them on fortified airbases?

many of us have kept long range shooting capabilities learned long ago.


75 posted on 12/03/2022 12:48:47 PM PST by doorgunner69 (Let's go Brandon)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Some aim for entire states to leave the union to form a new country

Nah..

while others endeavor more simply that rural red counties secede from the domination of blue urban centers to form new states.

Most of the filthy cities need to be "seceded" from the states. Let them form their own state(s).

76 posted on 12/03/2022 12:50:07 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ealgeone
You'd still have to deal with liberalism within the Red states.

That's why the right answer is statehood for D.C. And Detroit. And Philadelphia. And Atlanta. And Chicago. And Milwaukee. And Phoenix. And New York City. And Denver...

77 posted on 12/03/2022 12:50:34 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: firebrand

Many years ago - when I was a democrat - fraud was done I was told about... an accident happened.

Florida was using punch cards for voting and ‘after hours’ the people who didn’t show up to vote were being ‘voted’. (this is how ‘the dead are voted - they never show up)

The way fraud is done with that system is an ice pick is places on the ‘chad spot’ and hit with a hammer. To keep the fraud from being obvious other races are often ‘voted’. Well, one idiot got it wrong and the chad spot for a down ticket Republican was included. AND the guy was elected. Dems were panicked someone would notice the black community had ‘elected’ a Republican - but time went by and no one noticed and the story’s in the dust bin of history....


78 posted on 12/03/2022 12:50:42 PM PST by GOPJ (Has Biden had dinner with an anti-evangelical? Will Schumer condemn him if he has?)
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To: ridesthemiles
I think you're right about that.

"Texas v. White, an 1869 Supreme Court decision that ruled unilateral state secession is unconstitutional"

What in the Constitution indicates that?

In 1862, the South Carolina State Legislature voted to nullify the act of entering the Union, an act of the South Carolina State Legislature. Why was that unconstitutional?

79 posted on 12/03/2022 12:58:53 PM PST by Savage Beast (Americans DESPISE the corrupt elites, their media toadies and their corruption of the US government!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

The Demonparty have all but locked up America. Going forward they will never again lose any election they feel they can’t lose. They are exactly where they want to be with one exception: the second amendment. There is no way they want any type of secession movement to even remotely gain traction. They need at this point to put down a “sedition “ violently and fast. So they will manufacture one, small enough to control that will justify their slaughter and the ensuing police state.

These animals were cornered with the 2020 election so they went all in and stole it, artlessly and obviously. They know more and more Americans are rejecting their demonstrably insane rule. They have to act before things get out of hand for them. They are illegitimate so there are no moral constraints or concerns. Only, at this point, necessity. They don’t have an army, only the state.


80 posted on 12/03/2022 12:59:00 PM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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