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Old Racist Gun Laws Enter Modern-Day Legal Battles-Government lawyers reluctantly cite historical laws that kept guns from Blacks, Native Americans and Catholics
Wall St Journal ^ | 2-27-22 | Jacob Gershman

Posted on 02/27/2023 9:33:00 AM PST by SJackson

Edited on 02/27/2023 9:53:28 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Historical, racist gun laws are taking on new relevance in legal battles over modern-day gun regulations, following a Supreme Court ruling that expanded the right to bear arms.

In the 1700s and 1800s, states across the country passed laws to keep guns out of the hands of slaves, free Black people, Native Americans and Catholics. Such discriminatory gun restrictions would be unconstitutional today, but they have entered the gun-rights debate as judges look to apply the Supreme Court’s decision last June that said gun restrictions must be anchored in historical traditions.


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IMO using clearly unconstitutional today to advocate unconstitutional restrictions on other groups is bizarre.

1 posted on 02/27/2023 9:33:00 AM PST by SJackson
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To: PROCON

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2 posted on 02/27/2023 9:33:36 AM PST by SJackson (nations that are barren of liberties are also barren of groceries, Louis Fisher)
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To: SJackson

The truth is most of the early gun laws were ALL about keeping slaves or those who were of the class from having guns.


3 posted on 02/27/2023 9:35:04 AM PST by Skwor
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To: SJackson

There were reasons behind much of that. Meanness isn’t one.


4 posted on 02/27/2023 9:37:16 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: SJackson

The right to infringe shall not be limited. /s


5 posted on 02/27/2023 9:38:15 AM PST by TauntedTiger (If voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it. Mark Twain)
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To: Skwor

And, it was the DEMOCRATS doing it!


6 posted on 02/27/2023 9:38:17 AM PST by goodnesswins (The Chinese are teaching calculus to their 3rd graders wh to sile ours are trying to pick a pronoun.)
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To: Skwor

Awesome...

the more public airing these laws get the better.

So, when the David Hoggs and Shanon Watts of the world potificate about the glory of disarming people. the racist roots will really start to show.


7 posted on 02/27/2023 9:39:14 AM PST by uranium penguin
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To: SJackson

This is merely a consequence of the 14th amendment. Prior to the 14th the bill of rights did not apply to the states. Thus there were many state laws that did not comply with the bill of rights. As the federal amendments were incorporated into the 14th various state laws were struck down as unconstitutional. That would have to be the same with these old gun laws as the 2nd amen which has clearly been incorporated into the 14th.


8 posted on 02/27/2023 9:40:22 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SJackson

I am of the opinion that “ the Supreme Court’s expansion of gun rights.” is more properly stated as the the Supreme Court’s restriction on unconstitutional gun control laws.


9 posted on 02/27/2023 9:42:02 AM PST by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: SJackson

Those laws were advocated by Democrats and resulted in the foundation of the NRA to protect the firearm rights of ALL PEOPLE.


10 posted on 02/27/2023 9:45:26 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Make America Florida)
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To: circlecity

Well... Sort of. Courts were being used, even back then, to circumvent the BoR. Rather than fix that, they came up with the 14th. To get around that, they came up with the idiotic idea of “incorporation”.

Amendments, by DEFAULT, are passed by the State legislatures. This is all the “incorporation” any Amendment should ever need.

Unless... you wanna pull an end run around it. Which, Democrats have been doing since a year or so after TJ was dead.


11 posted on 02/27/2023 9:46:12 AM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: taxcontrol; SJackson

Yes. SCOTUS has not expanded gun rights, they have restored gun rights, at least partially.


12 posted on 02/27/2023 9:46:33 AM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: SJackson

What the SCOTUS thought about gun control in the pre Civil War era.
“It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognised as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction, to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished;
and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs,
and to KEEP AND CARRY ARMS wherever they went.”

Paragraph 77 in the link below. Then followed by 300 paragraphs to prove blacks were not citizens of the US.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0060_0393_ZO.html


13 posted on 02/27/2023 9:49:55 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (“No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”)
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...you beat me to the punch (er, keyboare...) the National Rifle Association, founded in 1871, and of which I am a proud member, was one of the very first civil rights organization; it worked very hard to ensure that free blacks, former slaves, and those who were denied the right to keep and bear arms, were indeed allowed to observe their God-given right to protect themselves by being armed...even today the NRA is vilified by the ignorant, un-knowing left.....


14 posted on 02/27/2023 9:57:08 AM PST by TokarevM57
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To: SJackson
IMO using clearly unconstitutional today to advocate unconstitutional restrictions on other groups is bizarre.

It isn't according to their reasoning: they are saying these laws would be unconstitutional today only because they discriminate on the basis of race or religion.

In other words, if we extend these restrictions to everyone, they magically become constitutional.

Actually according to our latest Supreme Court AA member, the states could ban whites from owning firearms because the post-Civil War incorporation doctrine and due process requirements apply only to minorities.

15 posted on 02/27/2023 10:05:27 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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16 posted on 02/27/2023 10:18:09 AM PST by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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"Old Racist Gun Laws Enter Modern-Day Legal Battles-Government lawyers reluctantly cite historical laws that kept guns from Blacks, Native Americans and Catholics"

I have not read the referenced article because of subscription wall.

I reviewed New York State Rifle & Pistol Assn., INC. v. BRUEN and appropriately found several references to the 14th Amendment.

If there are no mentions of 14A in referenced article, then I question the author's insight about historical gun laws.

17 posted on 02/27/2023 10:18:40 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: goodnesswins

Exactly. The original gun control laws were implemented in the South by white racist Democrats to keep them out of the hands of blacks so that the Dems could impose Jim Crow and terrorize blacks without risk of them fighting back. The Dem playbook remains the same. Only the color of their targets changed.


18 posted on 02/27/2023 10:23:38 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: SJackson
Still to this very minute anti-gun laws exist to keep guns out of the hands of Black people.   Just try to prove me wrong.   Democrats haven't changed in almost 200 years.
19 posted on 02/27/2023 10:24:36 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: pierrem15
In other words, if we extend these restrictions to everyone, they magically become constitutional.

They should just cut to the chase and admit that they think slavery is A-OK as long as people are enslaved without regard to race, color, sex, or national origin.

20 posted on 02/27/2023 10:57:04 AM PST by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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