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It's over and NATO is finished | Redacted with Clayton Morris
YouTube ^ | Apr 22, 2023 | Clayton Morris

Posted on 04/22/2023 4:41:51 PM PDT by Kazan

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To: joe fonebone

Some countries do meet the suggested amount and some don’t, there are 31 countries in the alliance.


41 posted on 04/22/2023 6:51:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12
I didn't “latch on” to anything dimwit, I just recognized the twitter handle YOU were asserting as an evidentary source.

Go peddle your deep state bullshite elsewhere neoclown.

42 posted on 04/22/2023 7:07:09 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Three sources, and that twitter site showed good material.

I don’t think you can see through that white-hot rage fog you live in.


43 posted on 04/22/2023 7:14:27 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

Welcome back to FR after your seven year sleep.


44 posted on 04/22/2023 7:16:46 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: mac_truck
Just remember that your opponent woke up after a seven-year FR "sleep" to go ALL IN for Ukraine.

Tells me all I need to know.      

45 posted on 04/22/2023 7:18:47 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: mac_truck

The TwittSewer is a total clown show these days.


46 posted on 04/22/2023 7:23:43 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

You guys work hard to keep yourselves ignorant, that must be what it takes to keep yourselves worked up angry and frothing at the mouth all the time.

Just trolling and attacking people while keeping up with whatever goofy sites are out there spreading anti-American Russian propaganda.

It wouldn’t hurt you to examine some of the stories that just sound too good, like that bomb strike.


47 posted on 04/22/2023 7:25:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12; JonPreston
You guys work hard to keep yourselves ignorant,

LOLOL!!!

FR Class of 2005 "freepsplains" to FR Class of 1997 how "ignerant" I am.

Hush, Azovnista.


48 posted on 04/22/2023 7:30:25 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Kazan
The news also follows recent independent reports showing that Russia just destroyed a heavily fortified underground bunker that housed over 300 top NATO and Ukrainian leaders. Why is the media silent on this story?

Because it didn't happen.

49 posted on 04/22/2023 7:31:15 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: kiryandil

Lol, thanks for proving my point.


50 posted on 04/22/2023 7:32:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

I didn’t prove your “anything”, Re-Animator.


51 posted on 04/22/2023 7:34:34 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: ansel12
Did you get lost of "rest" during your seven-year sleep, boyo?      
52 posted on 04/22/2023 7:36:16 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Magnum44

I’m not sure if it’s entirely garbage.

We have done things that will cause irreparable damage to the alliance.

We have coerced folks into playing along even inside NATO. Nations like Hungary are NOT on board with us (but you do not hear much about that in our one sided MSM), neither is Serbia (that one is obvious and they are not a full NATO member).

We have literally (most likely us) blown up pipelines on which allies depend: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

We have literally aided in what amount to outright terrorist attacks: https://www.foxnews.com/world/pro-russian-military-blogger-killed-explosion-st-petersburg-reports

I think there really is a possibility for a backlash in the long term. Right now everyone is capitalizing on this, may it be for a quick Finish and Swedish NATO admission (while the iron is hot and support is there), massive arms exports and deals: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-arms-exports-up-11-fiscal-2022-official-says-2023-01-25/ Getting allies to increase their defense spending, expanding missile defense, re-basing newer generations of nuclear weapons in Europe (something which would have been opposed before): https://nypost.com/2022/10/28/us-accelerates-plan-to-send-upgraded-nuclear-weapons-to-europe/

Never let a crisis go to waste, right?

But just like Vietnam, Lebanon, Iraq, eventually public sentiment shifts. They have to get done what they want fast! The public doesn’t have a long attention span, stomach and if they realize it’s costing them personally they go negative real fast. So we need to move fast.

That said, right now we still flying high, and we might for a little while because we don’t have our kids coming home in body bags. We’ve got someone else doing the bleeding and we’re just arming and financing them. So the public will hold on a little longer. But the trend is already there regards public support of this war and there is a reason why US politicians no longer brag and advertise all the money and even weapons they are sending to Ukraine like last year.

The real issue is that some of the things we did will cause for lasting problems after this war is over.


53 posted on 04/22/2023 8:19:30 PM PDT by Red6
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To: ansel12

Funny...
I thought when you signed a treaty, suggestions went out the window and obligations began.
You either abide by the treaty or you don’t.

There is no in between.
There is no close enough.
We are footing the bill for the defence of Europe, so that the snooty snobs that run that continent can continue their socialist ways without having to commit money or manpower to defend themselves.
Then they insult us at every turn.
Screw them.


54 posted on 04/22/2023 8:20:55 PM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: JonPreston

Our news says they are getting their ass kicked by Ukraine, but then the same news wants to tell us that they are planning on attacking the UK, invading into Europe... Funny-

Russia is no viable world power and we think we can encroach on their sphere of influence may that be their frontier in Syria, Venezuela, or Libya, or their border/buffer states: Republic of Georgia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia.

We have been walking all over them, for years, and then we want to pretend like it’s us being attacked and invaded.

Russia has 55% our ground forces. 47% our air forces. 43% our naval forces. They have 44% our population. 40% of the number of males reaching military age each year but without South America to fall back on as we do when we require huge numbers. They have a GDP smaller than California and Texas combined, less industry, less high tech. They have few and weak allies. Their most powerful ally is Belarus, with a population 1/2 of the Netherlands and a military manpower comparable to the Netherlands (albeit inferior equipped and trained).

They don’t play in the same league anymore, we know that, and we’re pushing them off the Risk playing board and as we do that, we pretend we’re the victim and underdog.


55 posted on 04/22/2023 8:37:28 PM PDT by Red6
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To: joe fonebone

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm

Some countries meet the 2% goal, some greatly exceed it, some are getting close to it as they increase their military budgets, and some are laggards.

Russia being on the move again has had the effect of increasing military budgets and readiness awareness.


56 posted on 04/22/2023 8:44:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12; ought-six
So the Intel Drop and Pro News are the sources of the Kinzhal killed 300 in a NATO command center? Good to know.
The Intel Drop is a partner site to Veteran's Today, which is not allowed on FR.
If Jim Rob does not want it here, there's a good reason for it.
57 posted on 04/22/2023 9:23:31 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: Kazan

You Russians in Kazan are pretty pathetic if this is the best you can dig up.

It’s been 15 months and Putin’s army is stalled after having been pushed back heavily.

What a pathetic military


58 posted on 04/22/2023 9:54:42 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Red6

Russia or rather Muscowy, still has an imperialist mindset. That’s why it is a threat to European countries


59 posted on 04/22/2023 9:56:25 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Kazan

'Revolt' in Ukrainian army as Bakhmut slips out of Kyiv's control

60 posted on 04/22/2023 10:16:39 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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