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China disowns ambassador's remarks questioning Ukrainian independence
BBC ^ | Robert Greenall

Posted on 04/24/2023 7:47:12 AM PDT by BlackAdderess

BBC News China has distanced itself from the remarks of one of its envoys who questioned the sovereignty of Ukraine and other former Soviet countries.

Paris ambassador Lu Shaye's comments last week caused widespread outrage, leading on calls to Beijing to clarify.

On Monday, China's foreign ministry said it respected the independence of all post-Soviet republics.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: China; Foreign Affairs; Russia; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: lol; soviet; surejan; surestepan

1 posted on 04/24/2023 7:47:12 AM PDT by BlackAdderess
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To: BlackAdderess

Well, he is correct.

Every country in Europe has legitimate claims to other countries in Europe, either by demographics or history or geography.

And all have been resolved by treaties.

The Ukraine was just created by a whim and none of these issues were resolved.


2 posted on 04/24/2023 8:04:02 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: BlackAdderess

Yes, this is a tight spot for the CCP: if they deny the independence of the Post-Soviet Republics, then they will cut themselves off from all of Western Civilization as almost all of Western Civilization (including Africa and Latin America) become independent due to voter demands and armed movements.

If they accept the statehood of those republics’ voter referendums, they will have to likewise accept a voter referendum taken by the citizens of Taiwan and maybe even Hong Kong….

I do not believe this is over, yet.


3 posted on 04/24/2023 8:04:47 AM PDT by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: BlackAdderess

Ambassador Lu is just being honest about Beijing’s actual view of the world.


4 posted on 04/24/2023 8:05:10 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: 2banana

I beg to differ. Treaties are only needed when wars are fought. Many nations (e.g. Panama) came into being simply because some global power decided to accept (and possibly rig) a voter referendum.


5 posted on 04/24/2023 8:06:34 AM PDT by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: beancounter13

In the case of Panama, the US wanted a canal, but the Colombian government would not allow it. Hence, we started a revolutionary movement, quickly granted recognition, signed a treaty with our installed puppet government, and built the canal anyway.


6 posted on 04/24/2023 8:08:36 AM PDT by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: beancounter13

I don’t think this is over yet either!


7 posted on 04/24/2023 8:10:42 AM PDT by BlackAdderess (Haley 2024)
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To: 2banana

China recognized Ukraine too in that


8 posted on 04/24/2023 8:11:55 AM PDT by BlackAdderess (Haley 2024)
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To: beancounter13

Panama was a war (revolution) and then a treaty.


9 posted on 04/24/2023 8:12:15 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: skeeter

Or perhaps Beijing is playing on Putin’s vices to gain an advantage.


10 posted on 04/24/2023 8:14:10 AM PDT by BlackAdderess (Haley 2024)
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To: 2banana

Who started the war? The Panamanians or the US agents sent to advise the Panamanians?

The US has many black eyes in the realm of Foreign Relations.


11 posted on 04/24/2023 8:15:36 AM PDT by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: beancounter13

America 100% started it to build the canal.

Like so many other conflicts to include Ukraine.


12 posted on 04/24/2023 8:32:27 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: 2banana

Yes, and the “revolution” lasted what? 3 days?

Some “revolution”.

Truth is that Panama was created more by fiat than was Ukraine.

Yet, I dare say, we would send troops more quickly and eagerly to defend Panama. Why? Because our national interests are there … just like they are with Taiwan.


13 posted on 04/24/2023 8:35:13 AM PDT by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: beancounter13

American force + threat of force + threat of a coup or a real coup against the local government = America gets its way.

Repeated over and over in the last 100 years.

And you make excuses for it.


14 posted on 04/24/2023 8:41:24 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: 2banana

Neither excuses nor condemnation of US foreign policy. Just trying to point out the silliness of arguing that Ukraine is somehow not a legitimate country.

We recognize it; China officially recognizes it; Russia even officially recognizes it; therefore it is.

The problem here is that Russia is trying to do to Ukraine effectively what we did with Panama and China desperately wants to prevent with respect to Taiwan.

Hence, my initial assertion that China has to tread lightly here.


15 posted on 04/24/2023 8:49:20 AM PDT by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: beancounter13

I just received a history of the world in maps. Interestingly enough ukr doesn’t appear on any maps as independent country until early 1990’s. In slavic languages the ukraine means “the borderlands”. I was surprised at how large poland-lithuania used to be. Maybe the russkies could offer the western half of ukr to poland if they leave nato.


16 posted on 04/24/2023 9:10:13 AM PDT by ozarker
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To: 2banana

Ukraine was not created by a whim. It has had a United nations seat since 1945.

What whims are you obviating?


17 posted on 04/24/2023 12:46:46 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: ozarker

You do realise that the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth was a common wealth. It was multicultural, multilingual and multi religious


18 posted on 04/24/2023 12:48:24 PM PDT by Cronos
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