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Stockton 7-11 clerks went too far in viciously beating brazen shoplifter | Opinion
Modesto Bee ^ | AUGUST 05, 2023 | THE MODESTO BEE EDITORIAL BOARD

Posted on 08/06/2023 11:44:25 AM PDT by artichokegrower

Store clerks have legal options when someone shoplifts. Teaming up to brutally beat the thief isn’t one of them. No wonder two 7-11 clerks in Stockton who battered a would-be shoplifter with a wooden rod are being investigated by police, as reported on TV news. Although brazen stealing is frustrating, costly and dangerous to store employees, confronting it with violence that far exceeds self-defense is not the answer.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: 711; beating; california; crime; lootie; mcclatchy; sikhs; stockton; stocktoncalifornia
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To: artichokegrower

If they didn’t kill him, then they didn’t go too far.


101 posted on 08/06/2023 2:13:42 PM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell>)
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To: artichokegrower; All

Wanna stop this crap? If it were up to me, he’d have more holes in him than God intended.


102 posted on 08/06/2023 2:21:09 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore)
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To: kiryandil

I agree, and it sounds like the employees have the receipts for their actions if the police station is across the street, the police have been called multiple times to no avail, and the perpetrator is suspected of having a gun.

They didn’t hit him enough times.


103 posted on 08/06/2023 2:23:37 PM PDT by Sertorius (A hayseed with no Greek and dam^ proud of it)
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To: algore

I want you for my Lawyer!


104 posted on 08/06/2023 2:27:16 PM PDT by ABN 505 (Right is right if nobody is right, and wrong is wrong if everybody is wrong. ~Archbishop Fulton John)
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To: artichokegrower
“.....The thief told the clerks to back off as he had a gun. At that time any type of force including deadly would be appropriate. .....”

Yes, but. You must us proportional force and just like you can't shoot someone running away from you in the name of self-defense, as they are no longer a threat, you can't keep beating someone with “near deadly force” once they are no longer a threat.

While if I was on a jury, I would have no problem with what these employees did, I understand why their behavior horrified the member of the criminal justice system. Vigilante justice is not something prosecuting attorney's or elected officials want to happen as it is a threat to their power.

If you shoot someone in self defense you can keep shooting until they are no longer a threat, but not a moment longer, which ultimately is a judgment call a jury gets to make.

105 posted on 08/06/2023 2:27:29 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: BenLurkin

Coconspirators, they are.


106 posted on 08/06/2023 2:50:07 PM PDT by bigfootbob (Arm Up and Live Free!)
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To: JBW1949

::WTH is wrong with Modesto Bee?::

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What is wrong is that the editorial staff is insulated and does not have to deal with criminals like the one who robbed this store and threatened those clerks.


107 posted on 08/06/2023 3:00:17 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti m..ade from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: Robert357

You are weak. When felons run away, they ARE a threat, later that day or night, tomorrow in a year from now. They deserve what they get in the way of a beating or shooting. If I were on a jury, I would keep my mouth shut all the way up to voting NOT guilty. Over and over and over. The police are LOANED the power they have, it is We the People who are ultimately responsible for stopping crime waves.


108 posted on 08/06/2023 3:03:11 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: Bigg Red

Well, the editorial staff needs replaced...


109 posted on 08/06/2023 3:07:41 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: wildcard_redneck
I liked listening to the black cashier during the filming, telling the other employees ...

That was a customer recording from the customers' side of the counter, not the cashier.

110 posted on 08/06/2023 3:08:33 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Glad2bnuts

“”””Laws need to be changed, to allow victims to stop thieves by any means necessary. Car, boats, womens honor, childrens innocence, money, jewelry or just piece of mind.””””


And that is why CA folks are moving to TX, because TX already has those laws in place.

It would be interesting to see the shoplifting statistics in CA vs TX


111 posted on 08/06/2023 3:13:52 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: artichokegrower

Yes, they went too far...
They left the perps still above ground temperature...


112 posted on 08/06/2023 3:23:46 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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To: kiryandil

Another arm chair leftist communist commenting on the world.


113 posted on 08/06/2023 3:37:12 PM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: gibsonguy

Let’s say the thief had to appear in court...what would he get? Probably get let off & told not to do it again. Yes,he took a vicious beating, but did he learn his lesson. We’ll see. I think he should have had to go to court & then got something they don’t do here; a good caning. My thinking is that he would remember that beating awhile & it all would have been done according to the law if caning was legal here.


114 posted on 08/06/2023 3:39:56 PM PDT by oldtech
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To: gibsonguy

“Funny, l didn’t think they went far enough”

I agree, he said multiple times he was ‘bout to pull my strap’ which makes this armed robbery!

I was enjoying the @$$ whoopin’ so much I was counting out the lashes!

23 in all! Feel good video of the week!


115 posted on 08/06/2023 3:46:03 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Glad2bnuts

If you shoot’em dead they will never rob or hurt anyone again!

Permanent solution to a permanent problem (there are always going to be criminals that need killing).


116 posted on 08/06/2023 4:00:28 PM PDT by 5th MEB
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To: artichokegrower

To quote Ferris Bueller, “You can never go too far.”


117 posted on 08/06/2023 4:01:48 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: artichokegrower

What do they mean this is not the answer? I don’t see them offering a better one. I’ll bet that dude and many others will think long and hard about stealing from that store again. Okay, okay, a .44 magnum would have been better.


118 posted on 08/06/2023 4:09:14 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: joma89
Another arm chair leftist communist commenting on the world.

I was pointing out that the victims of the crime [the two clerks] were being investigated by the police.

Not the perp - there's no word on the perp being investigated for THE THREE TIMES he robbed the same place within 24 hours.

see my post #82 for The Rest of the Story of official city of Stockton malfeasance.

119 posted on 08/06/2023 4:13:24 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: artichokegrower

Is he still breathing?

Then they didn’t go too far.


120 posted on 08/06/2023 4:15:25 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....!)
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