Posted on 08/07/2023 10:20:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
After scoffing at the idea that they were going to try to ban your gas stoves, the Biden Department of Energy turned around and introduced new regulations that would effectively do just that. But they assured us at the time that this would be a big net benefit to everyone because of all of the money you would save by switching to an electric stove. So you would not only be saving the planet, but you would have more cash on hand to deal with the ongoing inflation that the White House’s policies are driving. (They never say that last part aloud.) But that information turned out to be a bum steer when we learned of the latest “oops” moment coming from the White House. The estimated savings claimed by the DOE were quietly “revised” last week. It turns out that the “big savings” you will see if you switch from a gas stove to an electric stove will work out to a whopping nine cents per month. You should probably start planning that European vacation immediately. (Fox News)
The Biden administration quietly revised its data analysis of gas stove regulations it proposed earlier this year, showing they would produce fewer consumer savings than previously projected.
The Department of Energy (DOE) filed a notification of data availability as part of its ongoing gas stove rulemaking this week, showing that Americans will save 30% less than it said they would under the regulations when they were first proposed in February. The agency’s new analysis showed consumers are now expected to save just 9 cents per month under the gas stove regulations.
Ever since the planned gas stove restrictions were announced, the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers (AHAM), representing many manufacturers of stoves and other home appliances, has been fighting the plan. One of their representatives pointed out that the baseline assumptions underlying the original government estimate were flawed. They went on to say that consumers “still stand to lose features and access to many currently available gas cooking appliance models — in exchange for saving only pennies each month.”
The potential good news – assuming there is any – is that these DEO regulations aren’t scheduled to go into effect until 2027. If the GOP can somehow get its act together and win the White House next year, we should be able to have a competent Republican president appoint someone to head the DOE that actually knows something about energy. I will include here my periodic reminder that Jennifer Granholm, the current Energy Secretary, is a lawyer. She never studied energy in college and has never worked a day in her life in any aspect of the energy industry. She probably couldn’t read an electrical meter to save her life.
Of course, none of this was ever about saving people money or helping consumers in any way. This is another scheme cooked up on the altar of the Climate God. “Fossil Fuels Bad” is the name of the hymn, and Biden’s people are singing along. As soon as someone noticed that people’s stoves were hooked up to the natural gas lines, they had to go. It’s all part of the Left’s ongoing War on Things That Work.
While they try to eliminate gas stoves, they will still be working to make gas-powered vehicles unaffordable and force you into EVs. Never mind the fact that a ship full of electric vehicles recently burst into flames and burned for more than a week. I’m sure it will all work out just fine in the end. Everything else will be electrified as well, so you won’t have to worry about the Strategic Petroleum Reserve being basically empty. Who needs oil? We’ll just power everything with electricity that magically comes out of the wall.
I’ve been thinking of dumping my electric stove and installing a wood burning range.
Too bad I only have dirty-burning pine trees on my property but them’s the breaks.
You won’t save anything cooking with electricity.
Back in the 50’s, the all-electric house was supposed to be the future because everyone would have cheap power from nuclear power plants. They were wrong then and they’re probably wrong about renewable energy now as well.
Induction stoves have instant heat control, up and down, as good as or better than gas.
We have had one for about 20 years and prefer it over any other stove.
We also have two portable induction burners we use when traveling, powered by over 500 watts solar panels on the top of the Zeppelin NATO radio shelter on the rear of our U1300L Unimog. The over 1000 amp hours of AGM batteries in the shelter are charged through Victron charge controllers, and a 3KW pure sine inverter provides 120V AC for the induction burners and other stuff.
Good Lord I hated that thing! Those burners were hard to adjust to the right temperature and took forever to cool down. And trying to cook a roast beef or a whole chicken? Forget it. You had to watch it like a hawk or it burned something awful. I was glad to move out of the place. I'll take a gas stove any day.
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I have about 1800 amp hours of SLA and wet cell batteries in my shed, split into two banks of 24V and one of 12V. Just now installing back-up charge controllers and inverters.
1100 watts panels split into 12 and 24v banks as well. Soon to be 1500 watts.
Typical thug FedGov totalitarianism : “OBEY, It’s for your own good (and we’ll kill you if you don’t).
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OK so instead of $0.13 per month (a whopping $1.56 per year!!!) you will save only $0.09 per month (a less whopping $1.08 per year). So if that is a very modest $1,000 gas stove top it will take 925 years to break even instead of only 640 years. Still, your heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs' heirs will remember and thank you for your smart investment!
So if that is a very modest $1,000 gas stove top ... = So if that is a very modest $1,000 electric stove top ...
“Too bad I only have dirty-burning pine trees on my property..”
I have been watching YouTube videos about choice of firewood, and found a number of ‘experts’ who insist pine has gotten a bum rap. They say it is a myth that you can’t burn pine in your fireplace.
They say it’s fine, just make sure the wood is seasoned to less than 20%, and that the fire is burning hot enough (not starved of air). Those factors - not the species of wood - are what affects creosote build-up in your chimney.
One of the most convincing arguments was the fact that other conifers differ from pine very little in their composition, yet no one discourages using spruce, fir, hemlock, etc.. as firewood. In fact, in the vast northern regions where wood fire heating is the most common, conifers are often the only trees available.
Of course, you should do your own research, and burn pine at your own risk, but for what it’s worth, I’m convinced - I’m going to get myself a moisture meter and start burning pine in my fireplace.
I have a gas stove. We occasionally have power outages in winter, and the heating system needs power to operate. My gas stove plus my fireplace keep the house at a habitable temperature.
Up until 20 years ago I’d always had electric because I just had some bug in my head about “the fire.”
That’s changed. Electric is slow to heat (and don’t give me the bit about electric induction and all that like instant radiation, etc.) Just not worth it and more expensive to repair when you get electrically more exotic.
What’s more, when power goes out my gas and stove top can still work. The gas company line pumps can run off their own gas supply when needed.
I’d never get rid of gas stoves for my use.
MUST get everything on the grid
cuz the grid is control
Electric can be controlled this is what its all about. Never mind the cost of upgrading your electrical service, thousands to handle the load
OK. We have used gas, electric and induction. Electric is slow heating, hard to control and dangerous (for burns). Gas is fast heating, easy to control and dangerous (burns, leaks). Induction is fast, easy to control and fairly safe -- in the sense that the cooktop doesn't get hot. It cannot burn you. Only the cookware heats up. My wife places a rubber mat over the cooktop when she cooks. It keeps it clean.
My wife, a longtime amateur chef, rates induction first.
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We’re being told by totalitarians what we must buy. Government is not your friend.
And we can regulate agriculture, because food comes from the grocery store . . .
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